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Title: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:11:14 AM
Mainit na naman ang isyu kaugnay ng Spratlys..
Kanino nga ba talaga dapat mapunta ang mga ito?
Makukuha pa kaya sa Mapayapang Dayalogo?


Ano masasabi niyo?
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:15:52 AM
Ayon sa wikipedia:


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Spratly Islands


The Spratly Islands are a group of more than 750 reefs, islets, atolls, cays and islands in the South China Sea. The archipelago lies off the coasts of the Philippines and Malaysia (Sabah), about one third of the way from there to southern Vietnam. They comprise less than four square kilometers of land area spread over more than 425,000 square kilometers of sea. The Spratlys are one of three archipelagos of the South China Sea which comprise more than 30,000 islands and reefs and which complicate governance and economics in that region of Southeast Asia. Such small and remote islands have little economic value in themselves, but are important in establishing international boundaries. There are no native islanders but there are rich fishing grounds and initial surveys indicate the islands may contain significant reserves of oil and natural gas.

About 45 islands are occupied by relatively small numbers of military forces from Vietnam, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Malaysia and the Philippines. Brunei has also claimed an EEZ in the southeastern part of the Spratlys encompassing just one area of small islands above mean high water (on Louisa Reef.)

Early cartography
Geographic map of Spratlys. Click for more detailed image. For a satellite images of the islands, tagged by occupying country, see here.The first possible human interaction with the Spratly Islands dates back between 600 BCE to 3 BCE. This is based on the theoretical migration patterns of the people of Nanyue (southern China and northern Vietnam) and Old Champa kingdom who may have migrated from Borneo, which may have led them through the Spratly Islands.

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長沙) and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石塘),which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries.  They are also referenced in the 13th century,[10] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[11] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,1755, 1767,1810,and 1817. A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".

According to Hanoi, old Vietnamese maps record Bãi Cát Vàng (Golden Sandbanks, referring to both Paracels and the Spratly Islands) which lay near the Coast of the central Vietnam as early as 1838. In Phủ Biên Tạp Lục (Frontier Chronicles) by the scholar Le Quy Don, Hoàng Sa and Trường Sa were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngãi District. He described it as where sea products and shipwrecked cargoes were available to be collected. Vietnamese text written in the 17th century referenced government-sponsored economic activities during the Le Dynasty, 200 years earlier. The Vietnamese government conducted several geographical surveys of the islands in the 18th century.

Despite the fact that China and Vietnam both made a claim to these territories simultaneously, at the time, neither side was aware that their neighbor had already charted and made claims to the same stretch of islands.

The islands were sporadically visited throughout the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries by mariners from different European powers (including Richard Spratly, after whom the island group derives its most recognizable English name). However, these nations showed little interest in the islands. In 1883, German boats surveyed the Spratly and Paracel Islands but withdrew the survey eventually after receiving protests from the Nguyen Dynasty. Many European maps before the 20th century do not even make mention of this region.

Military conflictMain article: Spratly Islands dispute
In 1933, France asserted its claims from 1887[21] to the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam. It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Itu Aba, built weather stations on two, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic of China government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French warships visited the nine islands. In 1935, the ROC government also announced a sovereignty claim on the Spratly Islands. Japan occupied some of the islands in 1939 during World War II, and used the islands as a submarine base for the occupation of Southeast Asia. During the occupation, these islands were called Shinnan Shoto (新南諸島), literally the New Southern Islands, and put under the governance of Taiwan together with the Paracel Islands (西沙群岛). In 1945, The Republic of China sent its Naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Itu Aba Island, as its base, and renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. The KMT force of Republic Of China briefly abandoned the islands after its defeat in China's civil war in 1949, but re-established the base in 1956. Today, Itu Aba Island, is still administrated by the Republic of China,

Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, China re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Itu Aba), accepting the Japanese surrender on the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China, which founded the People's Republic of China in 1949. ROC quietly withdrew troops from Itu Aba in 1950, but reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomas Cloma's sudden claim to the island as part of Freedomland.

Japan renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, together with the Paracels, Pratas & other islands captured from China, upon which China reasserted its claim to the islands.

It was unclear whether France continued its claim to the islands after WWII, since none of the islands other than Itu Aba is habitable. The South Vietnamese government took over the Trường Sa administration after the defeat of the French at the end of the First Indochina War. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters. In 2004, Vietnam issued a white paper saying, in part,

Vietnam has sufficient historical evidence and legal basis to assert its indisputable sovereignty over the territorial waters and islands of Vietnam in the East Sea, among them the Paracels and Spratlys. Nevertheless, for the common security interests of the parties concerned, Vietnam is ready to enter into peaceful negotiations to settle the problem, first and foremost by reaching an agreement on the "Code of Conduct" pending the final solution.
On May 23, 2011, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III warned the Chinese defense minister of a possible arms race in the region if tensions worsened over disputes in the South China Sea.

Aquino said he told visiting Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in their meeting that such an arms race could result if there were more encounters in the disputed and potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

"When we have these incidents, does it not promote an arms race happening within the region? And when there is an arms race, does not the potential for conflict increase?" he recalled telling Liang.

The Philippines warned China that it might increase its military capabilities.

In May 2011, Chinese naval vessels opened fire on Vietnamese fishing vessels operating off East London Reef (Da Dong Island). Three military vessels were numbered 989, 27 and 28. They showed up with a small group of Chinese fishing vessels. Another Vietnamese fishing vessel was fired on near Cross (Chu Thap) Island. The Chief Commander of Border Guards in Phu Yen Province, Vietnam reports that a total of four Vietnamese vessels were fired upon by Chinese naval vessels.

TelecommunicationsIn 2005, cellular phone base station was erected by the Philippines' Smart Communications on Pag-asa Island.

On 18 May 2011, China Mobile announced that its mobile phone coverage has expanded to the Spratly Islands, under the rationale that it can allow soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen and merchant vessels within the area to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues. The deployment of China Mobile's support over the islands took roughly one year to fulfil.

Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 11, 2011, 11:21:51 AM
muntik nako gumawa ng ganitong topic kanina nakita mo siguro status ko sa FB noh? hehe

china is 500 NM from those islands, what's their basis on their claims? historical sovereignty daw kalokohan yun
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:25:32 AM
Quote from: otipeps on June 11, 2011, 11:21:51 AM
muntik nako gumawa ng ganitong topic kanina nakita mo siguro status ko sa FB noh? hehe

china is 500 NM from those islands, what's their basis on their claims? historical sovereignty daw kalokohan yun

actually nung isang araw ko pa gustong gawan.. hehe..


sabi ng China nasa South China Sea daw kasi Spratlys.. hehehe..
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 11, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
di kasi pedeng mapunta sa china spratlys mawawalan ng daanan ang US napakahalaga ng spratlys sa US eh, saka pag napunta sa china yun malaking advantage sa military nila yun which is ayaw mangyari ng US.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:30:15 AM
kita ko na post mo peps.. post din natin dito..



US Destroyer sent to South China Sea amid tension in Spratlys


The United States has sent one of the most formidable warships, the USS Chung-Hoon, a guided-missile destroyer to the South China Sea and Sulu sea amid tensions between China, Vietnam and the Philippines over the disputed Spratly Islands.
"Yahoo Online News said that USS Chung-Hoon, a guided-missile destroyer, has been sent on an independent deployment to the South China as well as to the Sulu Sea early this week to assert right of free passage in the region," Philstar.com reports.
"The ship will be sailing through waters that the US considers international waters to assert right of free passage and to demonstrate the international community does not accept national claims to the contrary," the report said.
Earlier China and Vietnam have accused each other for their presence in the disputed territories. In an apparent move to flex its muscle in the tension-filled sea lanes, Vietnam had announced it will do ammunition or firing drill not far from the disputed islands.
Following Vietnam's announcement for next week's firing drill, China has castigated the Philippines for its protest based on what it called "rumors" on the alleged incursions by Chinese vessels.
The Philippines said it has documented close to six incursions by Chinese vessels and aircraft since February off the Reed Bank which the Philippines said was well within Philippine territory.
The Spratly Islands are being claimed in whole or in part by several countries in Southeast Asia including China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan Brunei and the Philippines.
The islands reportedly sit on top of huge oil and gas deposits which have not been explored for commercial purposes.
China is claiming that the entire Spratly Islands are part of its territories.


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/307822
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: otipeps on June 11, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
di kasi pedeng mapunta sa china spratlys mawawalan ng daanan ang US napakahalaga ng spratlys sa US eh, saka pag napunta sa china yun malaking advantage sa military nila yun which is ayaw mangyari ng US.

so, are you saying na kakampi natin dito ang US?
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 11, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
pagdating dyan sa spratlys yes, pero sabi nga ni hillary clinton hindi daw makikialam ang US sa issue ng spratlys as long na walang direct threat sa mainland ng philippines pero you actually believe na di talaga sila makikialam? eh nung nga kailan lang nung nagka tension between philippines saka china bigla lumapit yung fleet ng US.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
Quote from: otipeps on June 11, 2011, 11:35:51 AM
pagdating dyan sa spratlys yes, pero sabi nga ni hillary clinton hindi daw makikialam ang US sa issue ng spratlys as long na walang direct threat sa mainland ng philippines pero you actually believe na di talaga sila makikialam? eh nung nga kailan lang nung nagka tension between philippines saka china bigla lumapit yung fleet ng US.

well... mas marami namang pinagsamahan ang Pinas at US.. kesa US at China... hehehe..


natuwa ako sa Sinabi ni Senador Juan Ponce Enrile at Sendor Francis Pangilinan..


Sen. Francis Pangilinan on Friday said the Philippines must not allow itself to be bullied by China's "arrogance" in the dispute over the Spratly islands.

"Bakit tayo hihingi ng permiso sa kanila? Kaya nga disputed ang area na ito eh," he told reporters. "We should not allow ourselves to be intimidated."

Pangilinan added that the Philippines must press on with its diplomatic protest against China as a way of showing it cannot be bullied.

He said China's actions are unbecoming of a world power.

"Dapat 'yon malaking bansa, 'yon 'yong dapat maging mapagkumbaba," Pangilinan said.

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Amid rising tensions between the Philippines and China over the disputed Spratly islands, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said the country must not allow itself to be bullied.

In a weekly forum on Thursday, Enrile said the Philippines must continue to assert its claim over the islands, and that China should not scold the country for this.

"For heaven's sake, don't lecture to us," Enrile said, referring to China. "We can equally lecture to you even if you are a giant."

He said China has to understand that the Philippines needs to assert itself "whenever we feel that they're intruding into our domain."

But the Philippines must also show that it is not a doormat and can also "bite," the senator added.

"And yet we do not want to develop the wherewithal to at least tell the guy who will bully us, 'You try to come near me and I willl bite you like a flee,'" He said. "We cannot even act as a flee because we have no sting."

He admits, however, that the Philippines has no capability to go against China.

And so when asked what the country's response should be to China's anger, Enrile said in jest, "Eh 'di magalit ka rin. Pero 'pag sinugod ka, takbo ka."


Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: vortex on June 11, 2011, 12:37:15 PM
Question teacher: Iba ba ito dun sa tinatawag na Sabah? By the way nun kasing HS ako sa history meron daw kasing Island na ibinigay ng Sultan ng Brunei sa Sultan ng Sulu eh. Kabilang ba iyon sa Spratleys?Or iyon yung Sabah? ???
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 11, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
iba yung sabah sa may borneo yun saka nasa malaysia na yun
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: vortex on June 11, 2011, 12:46:54 PM
Quote from: otipeps on June 11, 2011, 12:41:46 PM
iba yung sabah sa may borneo yun saka nasa malaysia na yun

Thanks for the correction. :D
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on June 11, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

China's distance fom Spratlys is twice as much as Philippines'. 200 nau mi. vs. 80. Joke na joke yung sinasabing "since Tang Dynasty" nila. sarap ibalik nung "tang" sa kanila.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteM9-ajhQY

short video tungkol sa spratlys.  
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: vortex on June 11, 2011, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on June 11, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

Ah, so ito yung sinasabi na ibinigay sa Sultan of Sulu.?
OT: Merong naging chismax ata dito na si Nini or Nina Rasul ay legal owner ng Sabah, she was saying daw before na meron siyang mga documents na magpo-prove ng claims nila, ka-apu-apuhan ata siya ng Sultan of Sulu nun eh. Hindi ko lang alam kung totoo, kwento lang din ng History teacher nung HS.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 11, 2011, 12:59:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on June 11, 2011, 12:50:33 PM
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

China's distance fom Spratlys is twice as much as Philippines'. 200 nau mi. vs. 80. Joke na joke yung sinasabing "since Tang Dynasty" nila. sarap ibalik nung "tang" sa kanila.  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteM9-ajhQY

short video tungkol sa spratlys.  

natawa naman ako sa link mo yosO.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: papa_bear on June 11, 2011, 10:01:47 PM
very informative ::)
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: incognito on June 11, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
di ba mareresolve na UN ang issue na to?
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: princewilliam on June 12, 2011, 01:05:17 AM
Nakakakulo ng dugo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BedykoH4AAs&feature=channel_video_title


Pilipinas pa ngayon ang nanakop.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on June 12, 2011, 02:52:10 AM
^ may nagcomment sa video:

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Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 12, 2011, 01:05:47 PM
Quote from: princewilliam on June 12, 2011, 01:05:17 AM
Nakakakulo ng dugo:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BedykoH4AAs&feature=channel_video_title


Pilipinas pa ngayon ang nanakop.


grabe no?

ang tanong, pag nanawagan na ang pamahalaan natin na lahat ng lalaki ay lalabn sa giyera kontra china.. sama ba kayo?

ako, OO!
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: incognito on June 15, 2011, 09:41:22 AM
dapat irevive din ang sabah claim.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 15, 2011, 02:01:30 PM
Quote from: incognito on June 15, 2011, 09:41:22 AM
dapat irevive din ang sabah claim.

isa pang isyu yan... pero sa tingin ko, mahihirapan na tayong bawiin yun.. kawawa naman ang Pinas..
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: incognito on June 15, 2011, 09:16:58 PM
naalala ko tong article na to from 2009 na nagpakulo sa dugo ng madaming pilipino. nakakagalit nga talaga.

The War At Home by Chip Tsao

The Russians sank a Hong Kong freighter last month, killing the seven Chinese seamen on board. We can live with that—Lenin and Stalin were once the ideological mentors of all Chinese people. The Japanese planted a flag on Diàoyú Island. That's no big problem—we Hong Kong Chinese love Japanese cartoons, Hello Kitty, and shopping in Shinjuku, let alone our round-the-clock obsession with karaoke.

But hold on—even the Filipinos? Manila has just claimed sovereignty over the scattered rocks in the South China Sea called the Spratly Islands, complete with a blatant threat from its congress to send gunboats to the South China Sea to defend the islands from China if necessary. This is beyond reproach. The reason: there are more than 130,000 Filipina maids working as $3,580-a-month cheap labor in Hong Kong. As a nation of servants, you don't flex your muscles at your master, from whom you earn most of your bread and butter.

As a patriotic Chinese man, the news has made my blood boil. I summoned Louisa, my domestic assistant who holds a degree in international politics from the University of Manila, hung a map on the wall, and gave her a harsh lecture. I sternly warned her that if she wants her wages increased next year, she had better tell every one of her compatriots in Statue Square on Sunday that the entirety of the Spratly Islands belongs to China.

Grimly, I told her that if war breaks out between the Philippines and China, I would have to end her employment and send her straight home, because I would not risk the crime of treason for sponsoring an enemy of the state by paying her to wash my toilet and clean my windows 16 hours a day. With that money, she would pay taxes to her government, and they would fund a navy to invade our motherland and deeply hurt my feelings.

Oh yes. The government of the Philippines would certainly be wrong if they think we Chinese are prepared to swallow their insult and sit back and lose a Falkland Islands War in the Far East. They may have Barack Obama and the hawkish American military behind them, but we have a hostage in each of our homes in the Mid-Levels or higher. Some of my friends told me they have already declared a state of emergency at home. Their maids have been made to shout "China, Madam/Sir" loudly whenever they hear the word "Spratly." They say the indoctrination is working as wonderfully as when we used to shout, "Long live Chairman Mao!" at the sight of a portrait of our Great Leader during the Cultural Revolution. I'm not sure if that's going a bit too far, at least for the time being.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: carpediem on June 15, 2011, 10:08:37 PM
^ that was supposedly meant to be a political satire
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 15, 2011, 10:44:59 PM
^^well Cheap Tsao.. ended up, making public apology...


Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: incognito on June 15, 2011, 10:49:42 PM
it may be a political satire but it's not at all funny nor amusing.
while satires are supposed to be funny and witty, this article  is downright insulting
to filipinos  especially the ofw's. just my two cents.
maybe i am just one of the OA pinoys out there. haha.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: carpediem on June 15, 2011, 11:10:43 PM
OT: Public apology doesn't prove that it was not a satire. He apologized because the it was not delivered well. He is supposedly known for his satirical style in HK. Note that the audience was not intended to be Filipinos (who don't know his style).

On the other hand, why are Pinoys hurt? Well, because there is truth.

Maybe instead of getting all butthurt about stuff like this and others like when Adam Carolla said "Get your shit together, Philippines", Filipinos should wake up and evaluate themselves.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 15, 2011, 11:16:01 PM
if I'm not mistaken he even visited the Philippines after he apologized or was he planning to? I forgot na
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 16, 2011, 10:07:08 PM


China sends patrol ship into disputed South China Sea

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China has sent one of it largest patrol ships through the South China Sea amid heightened tension over the disputed waters.

The Haixun-31 sailed on Wednesday and will monitor shipping and "protect maritime security" on its way to Singapore, state media said.

A Chinese foreign ministry spokesman described the trip as routine.

Several Asian nations claim territory in the waters that include shipping lanes and may contain oil and gas.

The Philippines and Vietnam recently accused Chinese vessels of aggressive actions in the South China Sea.

On Monday Vietnam staged a live-fire exercise in the area which Chinese state media denounced as a military show of force.

The 3,000-tonne Haixun-31, operated by the Chinese Maritime Safety Administration, will pass near the Paracel and Spratly island groups. officials said. The islands are at the heart of disputes with other governments.

The official Beijing Daily newspaper said the ship - which has a helicopter pad and can stay at sea for up to 40 days - would monitor shipping, carry out surveying, inspect oil wells and "protect maritime security".

Earlier this week, Beijing said it would not resort to the use of force to resolve its maritime border disputes.

Vietnam, China, the Philippines, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia have competing claims to the Spratlys while Beijing and Hanoi are in dispute over the Paracels.

Hanoi, which chaired the regional grouping Asean last year, has actively promoted a multilateral solution. However, China says it prefers to negotiate with individual states separately.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-asia-pacific-13796958
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: bajuy on June 17, 2011, 06:56:57 AM
paging oteps!!

tara bombahin na mga taga CHINA!!  8)
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: bajuy on June 17, 2011, 09:26:19 AM
pag ganun na nangyayari eh








lilipad nako sa ibang bansa!.. syet ma mimiss ko kayo  :'(
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 17, 2011, 10:18:30 AM
padalhan natin sila ng isang bilyong FHM na si mommy d ang cover tingnan natin kung di manigas mga tuhod nila sa alindog ni mommy d :P
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 17, 2011, 01:11:11 PM
laban na yan! hahaha..

titiyakin ko naman na bago nila masakop ang Pilipinas, naipagtanggol ko ito!
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Hitad on June 17, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
Ang dating south china sea ay West Philippine Sea na pala ngayon... Buti naman.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 17, 2011, 09:23:58 PM
 Philippines Sends Warship After China Boat Heads to Disputed Sea

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The Philippines announced it will send its biggest warship, a World War II vessel, to a disputed part of the South China Sea after China said it was deploying one of its new coastal patrol vessels in the waters.

The BRP Rajah Humabon, used by the U.S. against German submarines in World War II, will patrol around Scarborough Shoal, within waters claimed by China, the Philippine Star reported on its website. China sent the Haixun 31, a 3,000 ton vessel with a helicopter landing pad, to inspect foreign ships and oil facilities in disputed waters of the South China Sea, Hong Kong's Ta Kung Pao newspaper reported yesterday.

"The Navy conducts regular offshore patrols and we should not connect the deployment of Rajah Humabon to the deployment of this maritime vessel of China," Eduardo Batac, spokesman of the Philippines' department of defense, said in a press briefing today. "It's part of routine patrols that are being conducted by the Navy."

Tensions in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes have increased as the Philippines and Vietnam press ahead with oil and gas projects against China's wishes. Exxon Mobil Corp., Talisman Energy Inc. (TLM), Forum Energy Plc (FEP) and Vietnam Oil & Gas Group, known as PetroVietnam, have operations in areas of the South China Sea claimed by China.

Commander Miguel Jose Rodriguez, the spokesman for the Armed Forces of the Philippines, said the vessel was being deployed off the island of Luzon. Officials on the Chinese ship will discuss anti-piracy and sea rescue issues with Singaporean officials when it arrives, the official Xinhua news agency said.

Defense Treaties
The U.S., which has patrolled Asia-Pacific waters since World War II, has defense treaties with the Philippines and Thailand, and guarantees Taiwan's security. U.S. aircraft carrier USS George Washington is "on a routine patrol of waters in the Western Pacific," U.S. Navy spokesman Commander Jeff Davis said, without providing details of its planned route.

"The South China Sea is international waters and we transit through there routinely," Davis said by phone today from Jakarta. The carrier "has been through there many times before in the past and it'll be through there many times in the future."

The U.S. sold a 378-foot Coast Guard vessel equipped with a helicopter launching pad and missile system to the Philippines earlier this year that will be its largest naval vessel when delivered in August, according to a May 12 statement by the Philippine Navy. Later this month, the U.S. Navy will send three ships to conduct joint exercises off of Palawan island "in a combination of Philippine waters and international waters," Davis said.

'What's Ours is Ours'
The Philippine Navy removed territorial markers placed by China on three reefs in the South China Sea near Palawan island in May, Armed Forces Naval Forces West commander Edgardo Tamayo said yesterday. Two months earlier, Chinese vessels chased away a survey vessel working in the area for Forum Energy, a U.K.- based company majority owned by Philex Mining Corp. (PX)

"We are very concerned about these markers being placed in waters and areas, features that are clearly ours," Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert F. del Rosario told reporters in Canberra yesterday, where he met with Australian Foreign Minister Kevin Rudd. "What's ours is ours. We are free to do with that as we please."

Chinese ships have rammed survey vessels operated by PetroVietnam twice in the past month, according to Vietnam's foreign ministry, with one incident occurring in an area where Calgary-based Talisman Energy planned a seismic program this year. China has disputed that version of events, saying it's committed to maintaining peace in the seas.

Beefing Up Forces
China will beef up its maritime surveillance force, increasing the number of personnel from 9,000 to 15,000 by 2020, the China Daily reported today, citing an unidentified official with the China Maritime Surveillance Force. The number of surveillance vessels being operated by the CMS will increase from 260 to 350 by 2015, the report said.

China has bolstered its forces over the past decade, procuring nuclear-powered submarines and developing an aircraft carrier, according to a U.S. Defense Department report in August. Its missile patrol craft, destroyers and frigates in the South Sea fleet "could alter regional balances," the report said.


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may pantapat na tayo.. nga lang matanda pa sa lola ko.. hahaha...
pero wag ka... binili pa natin yan sa mga kano.. hehehe..
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 17, 2011, 09:38:44 PM
Are you guys not worried that our Country and China will go into war because of Spratly Islands and other issues?
Vietnam has a similar territorial issue with China and might join the Philippines if a dispute boils over. But indications are that the U.S. is closely watching the events unfold because it feels China is extending its reach way outside its territory.
Oh well... i honestly think our government cannot really defend the Spratly's because of lack of military resources.
China can walk right in and all we can do is file a diplomatic protest. An all out war is impossible for Us to call.
Maybe if the US military had not kicked out of Subic and Clark, China would not have dared to invade the spratly's.
But that's another issue...  ::)
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Hitad on June 17, 2011, 10:19:31 PM
Nawala yata yung mga kano sa Clark dahil naramdaman ng US na sinusugod lang sila ng mga Pok Pok saOlongapo. hahaha joke lang.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 23, 2011, 07:52:06 PM
Palace welcomes McCain statement on Spratlys row

MALACAÑANG on Wednesday welcomed the support of United States Senator John McCain in addressing the worsening dispute in the West Philippine Sea or South China Sea.



"Any call for stability, any call for peace, any call for a peaceful resolution on the West Philippine Sea is something that we would appreciate," Presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said.

McCain, who is a ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has urged the United States to expand military and political support to Southeast Asian nations to stand up against China in relation to the volatile situation in the West Philippine Sea.

"We don't know what audience Senator John McCain is addressing but it's similar to the call of the Asean, calling for a peaceful resolution to the conflict in the West Philippine Sea, and that's certainly something that we appreciate," Lacierda said.

President Benigno Aquino III reiterated call for all claimants to the Spratly group of islands to adhere to the international law.

"We believe our basis for claim is well founded," Aquino said in an interview during his visit in flood-ravaged Cotabato City. (Jill Beltran/Sunnex)



http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2011/06/22/palace-welcomes-mccain-statement-spratlys-row-162572
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on June 26, 2011, 12:44:10 PM
matagal na yang spratlys issue na iyan pero iba ang pumapasok sa isipan ko, hinde kaya nagpaparamdam ang US para bumalik sila at magkaroon ulit ng US bases dito?

kunwari to protect us from invaders  :D

Hinde naman hahayaan ng Pinas na magkaroon ng giyera with China kasi hinde naman sila tanga para hinde malaman na wala tayong laban sa kanila. Otherwise, pag natuloy, eh tanga pala sila hehehe  :D
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 26, 2011, 01:17:44 PM
at least naman ang US kapag pinaalis mo eh umaalis talaga unlike china pag sinabihan mong wag papasok sa teritoryo natin wala silang pakialam nananakot at nambubully pa.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 26, 2011, 01:36:19 PM
Quote from: otipeps on June 26, 2011, 01:17:44 PM
at least naman ang US kapag pinaalis mo eh umaalis talaga unlike china pag sinabihan mong wag papasok sa teritoryo natin wala silang pakialam nananakot at nambubully pa.

korekek!
kung ganyan katindi ang sitwasyon ngayon sa west philippine sea... mas nanaisin ko pang ibalik mga base ng kano.. at least magdadalawang isip ang china sa pagpapakita nila ng pwersa.

Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on June 26, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
kahit naman walang US bases dito, alam ng China maraming countries ang kakampi sa atin

hinde guarantee iyon na pag may US bases dito eh safe na tayo from attacks ng China
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 26, 2011, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on June 26, 2011, 01:52:02 PM
kahit naman walang US bases dito, alam ng China maraming countries ang kakampi sa atin

hinde guarantee iyon na pag may US bases dito eh safe na tayo from attacks ng China



hmmm.. kelan ba ulit uminit ang usapin tungkol sa Spratlys.. di ba nung napaalis na mga kano sa Pinas? dun na rin sunod-sunod ang ginawang hakbang ng China para unti-unting kamkamin yung lugar natin kasi alam nila walang magre-react satin...
i think nagda-dalawang isip ang China.. hindi yata ganun kadaling kalabanin ang isang bansa na kakampi ng amerika.. kaya tignan mo.. gusto nila, wag makialam ang US.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Hitad on June 26, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
Parehas lang ang US at China na may interes sa Spratlys. Although mas discreet ang US. My POV.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 26, 2011, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Hitad on June 26, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
Parehas lang ang US at China na may interes sa Spratlys. Although mas discreet ang US. My POV.


yra right..
pero san pa ba tayo lulugar? dun sa sasakupin tayo ng ganun-ganun na lang o yung dun sa pwede tayong protektahan?
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Peps on June 26, 2011, 02:30:48 PM
di rin naman kasi tayo pedeng basta basta atakihin ng china kasi meron tayo mutual defense treaty sa US meaning pag may isang country ang magtangka ng masama sa isa satin (US or philippines) kelangan tumulong ng isa. And yes may interes din kasi ang US sa spratly di dahil sa langis but dahil sa strategic location nito. "Spratlys lie across key shipping lanes that carry much of the world's maritime traffic" kapag napunta sa china yan ang laking dagok sa ekonomiya at military ng US yan kaya di nila basta basta pedeng pabayaang mapunta sa China yan. Pag napunta sa china yan pede nilang ilimit yung mga pedeng dumaan lang unlike sa atin na we have international law na pede lahat dumaan sa atin basta wag lang mag eexplore ng yaman dagat natin.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 26, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: otipeps on June 26, 2011, 02:30:48 PM
di rin naman kasi tayo pedeng basta basta atakihin ng china kasi meron tayo mutual defense treaty sa US meaning pag may isang country ang magtangka ng masama sa isa satin (US or philippines) kelangan tumulong ng isa. And yes may interes din kasi ang US sa spratly di dahil sa langis but dahil sa strategic location nito. "Spratlys lie across key shipping lanes that carry much of the world's maritime traffic" kapag napunta sa china yan ang laking dagok sa ekonomiya at military ng US yan kaya di nila basta basta pedeng pabayaang mapunta sa China yan. Pag napunta sa china yan pede nilang ilimit yung mga pedeng dumaan lang unlike sa atin na we have international law na pede lahat dumaan sa atin basta wag lang mag eexplore ng yaman dagat natin.

tama!
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Hitad on June 27, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
Well no choice nga naman sa puno't dulo pa lang sa US lang tayo umaasa.
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: papa_bear on June 27, 2011, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: Hitad on June 27, 2011, 02:06:26 PM
Well no choice nga naman sa puno't dulo pa lang sa US lang tayo umaasa.

Like!
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on June 29, 2011, 03:18:14 PM
giyera kung giyera  ;D sigurado may suicide bomber na mga pinoys hahaha
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on June 29, 2011, 07:31:20 PM
nanahimik China ngayon ah... natakot yata ng malamang suportado tayo ng US. ::)
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on June 29, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
mga Chinese pa, manggugulang naman sila.

for now, magpapalamig lang mga yan tapos pag patay na ang issue, babanat ulit mga iyan  :D
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: Aleci on July 02, 2011, 01:32:49 AM
Can we even really take good care of it?
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on July 02, 2011, 10:57:20 AM
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Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 05, 2011, 02:55:35 PM
ano nga kaya magka-giyera, China vs. Pinas, lahat siguro ng mga lalake ipapatawag ng presidente para lumaban sa China
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: princewilliam on July 09, 2011, 03:46:30 AM
Mas maganda pa rin na idaan sa diplomasya ang lahat. :D

Pero kung ayaw idaan ng Tsina sa diplomasya, ibang usapan na 'yun.



Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: judE_Law on August 12, 2011, 09:33:46 AM
dito ako sang ayon kay PENOY este P-NOY.. :P

ang sa PILIPINAS ay sa PILIPINAS!
Title: Re: Spratly Islands
Post by: pinoybrusko on August 21, 2011, 02:35:27 PM
giyera na kung giyera, yun ata gusto niyo hehehe

sayang naman yung mga naglalaro ng airsoft diyan ng matesting skills niyo hehehe