RH Bill. Yes or No?

Started by Mr.Yos0, November 23, 2010, 12:20:19 AM

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Apparently it's a yes for RH minus some provisions.

Yes. Praktikal ito sa bayan.

NO ! pero law na sya la na ko magagawa xD

Ako "NO" to RH Law kasi sa tingin ko mali ang premise o basehan ng mga tao kung bakit dapat may RH.

Sa mga nabasa-basa ko at naririnig sa tv ang RH daw e magbibigay ng choice sa mga tao kung gusto nilang mag-contraceptive. Pero kahit naman walang RH e malaya lahat tayo, "may choice" tayo na bumili ng contraceptives.

Isa pang dahilan e yung ibang tao daw e walang pambili. Sa totoo lang e (ayo kong maging harsh pero di ko talaga alam kung pano to sasabihin sa ibang paraan) hindi na responsibilidad ng ibang tao ang pang contraceptive ng iba. Kanya kanya tayong responsibilidad sa sarili natin. Kung ako walang pambili ng condom wala DAPAT akong karapatang kunin ang pambili sa ibang tao, kaya DAPAT wala din akong karapatang payagan ang gobyerno na kunin ang pera ng iba(tax) para ibili ako ng condom.

Kakambal nung dahilang "walang pambili" e yung argument na kailangan nating tulungan yung mga mahihirap. Nasabi ko na yung tungkol sa responsibilidad, kung sobrang hirap mo at wala kang pambili ng pills o condom wag ka nang makipag sex. At agree ako na dapat nating tulungan yung DESERVING tulungan pero wala namang pumipigil sating gawin yun. Di natin kailangan ang gobyerno para makatulong. At di dapat na gamitin ang gobyerno para pilitin ang isang tao para magbigay ng pera sa cause na di nya pinaniniwalaan. At tayo ang magdedesisyon kung sino ang gusto nating tulungan.

Ang sagot talaga sa kahirapan e yung batas. Kung tama ang mga batas kayang yumaman ng mga mamamayan.

Eto dapat ang batas na gawin, hindi RH:

Dapat malaya ang isang tao na gawin anuman ang gusto nya sa ari-arian nya basta lang hindi yun harmful sa iba;

Kaya dapat pwedeng magtrabaho ang mga tao sa kahit anong trabahong gusto nila delikado man yon o sobrang mababa ang sahod o imoral sa paningin ng iba dahil DAPAT walang paki ang iba sa gusto mong gawin sa sarili mong buhay;

Pwedeng bumili o magbenta ng mga produkto kahit kanino(walang discrimination ang gobyerno sa domestic o international), at sa presyong napagkasunduan ng nagbebenta at bumibili(di kinokontrol ng gobyerno ang presyo) again dahil DAPAT wala nang paki ang iba kung kanino mo pwedeng ibenta o ibigay ang pag-aari mo at kung magkano kung payag naman yung bumibili-na wala ring paki ang iba dahil pera naman nya yung ginagastos nya;

Ang karapatan sa lahat ng kinita e doon lang sa may-ari at pwede nyang gawin kahit ano sa kinita nya DAHIL kanya yon;

At ang TALONG MALAKING DAPAT...

Hindi pwedeng labagin ng gobyerno ang pag-aari ng iba SA KAHIT ANONG DAHILAN maliban lang kung harmful of trespassing nga yung paggamit mo sa third parties(usok, ingay, alikabok);

Dapat ang pera ng bansa e gold o silver, hindi dahil fan ako ng shiny yellow metals kundi dahil hindi kayang magmanufacture/mag-print ng gobyerno ng gold o silver(may natural limit sa supply, one of the rarest element in the universe at mahirap at mahal kunin) kaya hindi liliit ng liliit ang kayang bilin ng bawat pera. Ibig sabihin kapag nag-ipon ka, mayaman ka man o mahirap, pagkatapos ng ilang taon hindi lumiit ang kayang bilin ng ipon mo dahil hindi minanipula ng gobyerno ang supply ng pera. At dahil mas mabilis ang pag-improve ng technology na nagpapabilis sa pagdami ng products at services, ang kayang bilin ng sweldo ng isang ordinaryong manggagawa e padami ng padami habang tumatagal, hindi paliit ng paliit tulad ngayon kung saan paper at digital money ang meron tayo na kayang kayang doblehin o triplehin ng gobyerno kailan man nila gusto;

Ang dapat lang gawin ng gobyerno e pangalagaan ang karapatan nating lahat(pantay-pantay) na gawin ang kahit anong gusto natin sa ating sarili at sa mga pag-aari natin.

At kung pagpapatupag lang ng batas na yan ang gagawin ng gobyerno, hindi na natin kailangan ng malaking buwis which is good dahil mas marami ang matitira sa indibidwal.

In short ang batas na dapat natin gawin o kung meron na e pagtibayin e:

Respect for individual freedom, respect for property, free trade, sound monetary policy, limited government.


^^ Reproductive Health naman ang primary goal ng RH Bill.

Effect na lang ng RH Bill ang lag-address sa poverty issues ng Pilipinas.

Yes. Realistic lang naman. Marami kasi di kaya magabstain from... Lol.

Quote from: ctan on September 01, 2014, 09:59:26 PM
^^ Reproductive Health naman ang primary goal ng RH Bill.

Effect na lang ng RH Bill ang lag-address sa poverty issues ng Pilipinas.

I am sorry if my posts are too long. Complex issues are complex. I need plenty of words. :-[

But the cause is poverty. Because of poverty people want the government to provide free rh services to those who couldnt afford it. That is why I pointed out the root of why we are poor which is government micromanagement of everything from property development around the Rizal park, to what you buy and where, to the price of things, to the supply of money. We all know the government isnt good at management(public schools, public health centers, public hospitals, public markets, public roads, public rail/metro like the MRT, anything with public in or on it is guaranteed to stink of shit). Do you think its wise to give the government additional job, more power? My solution in my previous post is that what we need is more freedom and less government not more government and less freedom. If we just let people decide for themselves, meaning set them free, I am sure they will choose to make their and their childrens lives better. Thats what free people do, we improve our situation if we can and we love our children. But now we have too many restrictions especially in the economy thats causing many to be poor and a lot of the middleclass dependent on overseas jobs, while the rich continue to sell their expensive but low quality products because they are protected from international competition. And we make a lot of people irresponsible by making them believe they have the right to money which belongs to another.

^^ you totally miss the point bro.

if you really want to go to the root cause of all these problems, go back to the issues on character and discipline of every individual. why are the poor, poor? why is a community non-progressive? despite years of efforts of the government to manage the country with pro-poor laws, why does the philippines remain a developing nation? why is singapore, japan, south korea rich now?

and do you know that the highest index of corruption in the kind of government is one that is of the democratic type? you want more freedom, yet the people don't actually exercise responsible freedom.

Quote from: ctan on September 02, 2014, 01:41:24 PM
^^ you totally miss the point bro.

if you really want to go to the root cause of all these problems, go back to the issues on character and discipline of every individual. why are the poor, poor? why is a community non-progressive? despite years of efforts of the government to manage the country with pro-poor laws, why does the philippines remain a developing nation? why is singapore, japan, south korea rich now?

and do you know that the highest index of corruption in the kind of government is one that is of the democratic type? you want more freedom, yet the people don't actually exercise responsible freedom.

Exactly that.

Quote from: ctan on September 02, 2014, 01:41:24 PM
^^ you totally miss the point bro.

if you really want to go to the root cause of all these problems, go back to the issues on character and discipline of every individual. why are the poor, poor? why is a community non-progressive? despite years of efforts of the government to manage the country with pro-poor laws, why does the philippines remain a developing nation? why is singapore, japan, south korea rich now?

and do you know that the highest index of corruption in the kind of government is one that is of the democratic type? you want more freedom, yet the people don't actually exercise responsible freedom.

May I ask what character and discipline issues are you talking about?

Many are poor because of lack of opportunity caused by very restrictive economic policies.

Imagine kung malaya talaga tayo na pwede kang mag-import ng mumurahing paninda galing ibang bansa na magpapababa sa presyo na mabuti lalo sa mahirap, tipid. Na pwede kang makipagsosyo sa mga dayuhan na lilikha ng mas maraming trabaho. Etc,etc,etc...Mas malaya mas maraming oportunidad. Pro poor. Tingnan mo ang Hong Kong at Singapore. Mas economically free sila kaya kahit maliit na isla lang mas mayaman pa satin. Kung walang pakialaman ng buhay at ariarian ang rule di problema ang mga walang disiplina kasi sila lang naman ang responsable sa sarili nila di tayo. Basta mind ur own business lang. Pero karamihan naman kung may oportunidad kikilos naman sila im sure.

Hindi majority rule ang titutuloy ko kundi limited government protecting rights lang. Hindi pwedeng tanggalin ang rights kahit pagbotohan ng majority.


Quote from: Dirigo on September 02, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
May I ask what character and discipline issues are you talking about?


It's basic. Although I do not intend to generalize, it is very observable that among Filipinos, those who belong to the marginalized class are those who tend to disobey laws. A perfect example would be jeepney drivers and taxi drivers. Most of them do not honor the traffic regulations. But of course, makikita rin ito sa mga mayayaman kaya nga I tell you that it boils down to disciplining oneself.


Quote from: Dirigo on September 02, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Many are poor because of lack of opportunity caused by very restrictive economic policies.


I agree also on this. But poverty in the Philippines is not only attributable to such, but it is multifactorial. That is why governance is a very difficult area to be engaged in kasi you address the very issues that permeate in this society. It is not plain black and white: poverty = restrictive economic policies. No, it's not that.


Quote from: Dirigo on September 02, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Imagine kung malaya talaga tayo na pwede kang mag-import ng mumurahing paninda galing ibang bansa na magpapababa sa presyo na mabuti lalo sa mahirap, tipid. Na pwede kang makipagsosyo sa mga dayuhan na lilikha ng mas maraming trabaho. Etc,etc,etc...Mas malaya mas maraming oportunidad. Pro poor. Tingnan mo ang Hong Kong at Singapore. Mas economically free sila kaya kahit maliit na isla lang mas mayaman pa satin. Kung walang pakialaman ng buhay at ariarian ang rule di problema ang mga walang disiplina kasi sila lang naman ang responsable sa sarili nila di tayo. Basta mind ur own business lang. Pero karamihan naman kung may oportunidad kikilos naman sila im sure.


Hindi naman ganun yan kadali. Kaya nga nagtatalo ang mga economist at businessmen pagdating sa aspeto na yan. Sabi ng mga businessmen, globalization ang sagot sa pagboost ng economy. Sabi naman ng mga economists, local industry muna ang palaguin. So again, I tell you that solving this kind of issue is not plain black and white. Hindi mo mapipilit na pamurahin ang mga panindang banyaga dahil madaming factors ang nagpamahal niya. As a matter of fact, look at the prices of products in free port areas. Sadly, poor people still cannot afford these products despite the lowered prices. Hongkong and Singapore were subjected to 'dictatorship' and their citizens willingly obeyed the government.


Quote from: Dirigo on September 02, 2014, 05:06:04 PM
Hindi majority rule ang titutuloy ko kundi limited government protecting rights lang. Hindi pwedeng tanggalin ang rights kahit pagbotohan ng majority.


All the more reason why the government should put up laws enabling the poor to have access to reproductive health facilities.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Sa mga nabasa-basa ko at naririnig sa tv ang RH daw e magbibigay ng choice sa mga tao kung gusto nilang mag-contraceptive. Pero kahit naman walang RH e malaya lahat tayo, "may choice" tayo na bumili ng contraceptives.
I suggest reading the whole law instead of OPINIONS of the public as seen on media.  Most of what the Catholic Church RE: promotion of abortion on the law is baseless.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Isa pang dahilan e yung ibang tao daw e walang pambili. Sa totoo lang e (ayo kong maging harsh pero di ko talaga alam kung pano to sasabihin sa ibang paraan) hindi na responsibilidad ng ibang tao ang pang contraceptive ng iba. Kanya kanya tayong responsibilidad sa sarili natin. Kung ako walang pambili ng condom wala DAPAT akong karapatang kunin ang pambili sa ibang tao, kaya DAPAT wala din akong karapatang payagan ang gobyerno na kunin ang pera ng iba(tax) para ibili ako ng condom.

Kakambal nung dahilang "walang pambili" e yung argument na kailangan nating tulungan yung mga mahihirap. Nasabi ko na yung tungkol sa responsibilidad, kung sobrang hirap mo at wala kang pambili ng pills o condom wag ka nang makipag sex. At agree ako na dapat nating tulungan yung DESERVING tulungan pero wala namang pumipigil sating gawin yun. Di natin kailangan ang gobyerno para makatulong. At di dapat na gamitin ang gobyerno para pilitin ang isang tao para magbigay ng pera sa cause na di nya pinaniniwalaan. At tayo ang magdedesisyon kung sino ang gusto nating tulungan.

Providing access to contraception and sex education to the public is cheaper PREVENTIVE option than the implications of unwanted pregnancy, population growth, disease burden.

Cost of a condom should be less than 10 pesos
versus
Prenatal checkups + Labor and birth + Cost of raising a child + More education + Maternal complications + Child complication  =  more burden on the public hospitals = more people asking for more expensive welfare services

So it is of national interest that we cut down on unwanted pregnancies. YOUR TAXES are being used to pay for more expensive public health services due to unwanted pregnancies.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Kaya dapat pwedeng magtrabaho ang mga tao sa kahit anong trabahong gusto nila delikado man yon o sobrang mababa ang sahod o imoral sa paningin ng iba dahil DAPAT walang paki ang iba sa gusto mong gawin sa sarili mong buhay;
So kahit sino puwedeng maging surgeon, nurse, accountant, architect?
There are some professions and jobs are specifically regulated so we can protect the public from malpractice.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Pwedeng bumili o magbenta ng mga produkto kahit kanino(walang discrimination ang gobyerno sa domestic o international), at sa presyong napagkasunduan ng nagbebenta at bumibili(di kinokontrol ng gobyerno ang presyo) again dahil DAPAT wala nang paki ang iba kung kanino mo pwedeng ibenta o ibigay ang pag-aari mo at kung magkano kung payag naman yung bumibili-na wala ring paki ang iba dahil pera naman nya yung ginagastos nya;

Ang karapatan sa lahat ng kinita e doon lang sa may-ari at pwede nyang gawin kahit ano sa kinita nya DAHIL kanya yon;

You cannot outright REMOVE all forms of TAXES unless of course you want removal of function of ALL forms of government. Removal of government function would just lead to stronger oligarch, stronger more powerful clans and out right slavery of the people.

Pure deregulation and duty free unrestricted free trade can lead to monopolization which can lead to worsening rich-poor gap and more strength to the oligarchs.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Hindi pwedeng labagin ng gobyerno ang pag-aari ng iba SA KAHIT ANONG DAHILAN maliban lang kung harmful of trespassing nga yung paggamit mo sa third parties(usok, ingay, alikabok);

What if you need a piece of land to construct a hospital, roads, MRT?

Teka, Parang meron kang PERSONAL PROBLEM na pinoproject mo dito sa forums. May ginawa ba gobyerno sa lupa mo?

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Dapat ang pera ng bansa e gold o silver, hindi dahil fan ako ng shiny yellow metals kundi dahil hindi kayang magmanufacture/mag-print ng gobyerno ng gold o silver(may natural limit sa supply, one of the rarest element in the universe at mahirap at mahal kunin) kaya hindi liliit ng liliit ang kayang bilin ng bawat pera. Ibig sabihin kapag nag-ipon ka, mayaman ka man o mahirap, pagkatapos ng ilang taon hindi lumiit ang kayang bilin ng ipon mo dahil hindi minanipula ng gobyerno ang supply ng pera. At dahil mas mabilis ang pag-improve ng technology na nagpapabilis sa pagdami ng products at services, ang kayang bilin ng sweldo ng isang ordinaryong manggagawa e padami ng padami habang tumatagal, hindi paliit ng paliit tulad ngayon kung saan paper at digital money ang meron tayo na kayang kayang doblehin o triplehin ng gobyerno kailan man nila gusto;

The government has limited capacity to control the natural flow of economics. Inflation is a natural phenomenon and so is supply and demand.

Switching the currency to pure gold is impractical.

Quote from: Dirigo on September 01, 2014, 06:05:54 PM
Ang dapat lang gawin ng gobyerno e pangalagaan ang karapatan nating lahat(pantay-pantay) na gawin ang kahit anong gusto natin sa ating sarili at sa mga pag-aari natin.

At kung pagpapatupag lang ng batas na yan ang gagawin ng gobyerno, hindi na natin kailangan ng malaking buwis which is good dahil mas marami ang matitira sa indibidwal.

In short ang batas na dapat natin gawin o kung meron na e pagtibayin e:

Respect for individual freedom, respect for property, free trade, sound monetary policy, limited government.

Wala sa mga nabanggit mo ang makakatulong sa problema ng Reproductive Health.
Kahit sabihin mong may "individual freedom, respect for property, free trade, sound monetary policy, limited government."
Kakantot ng kakatot LAHAT ng mga nasa squatters area at gagawa pa ng NAPAKARAMING BATA.

I agree to that Kilo. It's their past time already yung mga nsa squatters to have sex and sex and multiply ng walang kahirap hirap.