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Spratly Islands

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Spratly Islands
« on: June 11, 2011, 11:11:14 AM »
Mainit na naman ang isyu kaugnay ng Spratlys..
Kanino nga ba talaga dapat mapunta ang mga ito?
Makukuha pa kaya sa Mapayapang Dayalogo?


Ano masasabi niyo?

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2011, 11:15:52 AM »
Ayon sa wikipedia:





Spratly Islands


The Spratly Islands are a group of more than 750 reefs, islets, atolls, cays and islands in the South China Sea. The archipelago lies off the coasts of the Philippines and Malaysia (Sabah), about one third of the way from there to southern Vietnam. They comprise less than four square kilometers of land area spread over more than 425,000 square kilometers of sea. The Spratlys are one of three archipelagos of the South China Sea which comprise more than 30,000 islands and reefs and which complicate governance and economics in that region of Southeast Asia. Such small and remote islands have little economic value in themselves, but are important in establishing international boundaries. There are no native islanders but there are rich fishing grounds and initial surveys indicate the islands may contain significant reserves of oil and natural gas.

About 45 islands are occupied by relatively small numbers of military forces from Vietnam, the People's Republic of China, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Malaysia and the Philippines. Brunei has also claimed an EEZ in the southeastern part of the Spratlys encompassing just one area of small islands above mean high water (on Louisa Reef.)

Early cartography
Geographic map of Spratlys. Click for more detailed image. For a satellite images of the islands, tagged by occupying country, see here.The first possible human interaction with the Spratly Islands dates back between 600 BCE to 3 BCE. This is based on the theoretical migration patterns of the people of Nanyue (southern China and northern Vietnam) and Old Champa kingdom who may have migrated from Borneo, which may have led them through the Spratly Islands.

Ancient Chinese maps record the "Thousand Li Stretch of Sands"; Qianli Changsha (千里長沙) and the "Ten-Thousand Li of Stone Pools"; Wanli Shitang (萬里石塘),which China today claims refers to the Spratly Islands. The Wanli Shitang have been explored by the Chinese since the Yuan Dynasty and may have been considered by them to have been within their national boundaries.  They are also referenced in the 13th century,[10] followed by the Ming Dynasty.[11] When the Ming Dynasty collapsed, the Qing Dynasty continued to include the territory in maps compiled in 1724,1755, 1767,1810,and 1817. A Vietnamese map from 1834 also includes the Spratly Islands clumped in with the Paracels (a common occurrence on maps of that time) labeled as "Wanli Changsha".

According to Hanoi, old Vietnamese maps record Bi Ct Vng (Golden Sandbanks, referring to both Paracels and the Spratly Islands) which lay near the Coast of the central Vietnam as early as 1838. In Phủ Bin Tạp Lục (Frontier Chronicles) by the scholar Le Quy Don, Hong Sa and Trường Sa were defined as belonging to Quảng Ngi District. He described it as where sea products and shipwrecked cargoes were available to be collected. Vietnamese text written in the 17th century referenced government-sponsored economic activities during the Le Dynasty, 200 years earlier. The Vietnamese government conducted several geographical surveys of the islands in the 18th century.

Despite the fact that China and Vietnam both made a claim to these territories simultaneously, at the time, neither side was aware that their neighbor had already charted and made claims to the same stretch of islands.

The islands were sporadically visited throughout the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries by mariners from different European powers (including Richard Spratly, after whom the island group derives its most recognizable English name). However, these nations showed little interest in the islands. In 1883, German boats surveyed the Spratly and Paracel Islands but withdrew the survey eventually after receiving protests from the Nguyen Dynasty. Many European maps before the 20th century do not even make mention of this region.

Military conflictMain article: Spratly Islands dispute
In 1933, France asserted its claims from 1887[21] to the Spratly and Paracel Islands on behalf of its then-colony Vietnam. It occupied a number of the Spratly Islands, including Itu Aba, built weather stations on two, and administered them as part of French Indochina. This occupation was protested by the Republic of China government because France admitted finding Chinese fishermen there when French warships visited the nine islands. In 1935, the ROC government also announced a sovereignty claim on the Spratly Islands. Japan occupied some of the islands in 1939 during World War II, and used the islands as a submarine base for the occupation of Southeast Asia. During the occupation, these islands were called Shinnan Shoto (新南諸島), literally the New Southern Islands, and put under the governance of Taiwan together with the Paracel Islands (西沙群岛). In 1945, The Republic of China sent its Naval ships to take control of the islands after the surrender of Japan. It had chosen the largest and perhaps the only inhabitable island, Itu Aba Island, as its base, and renamed the island under the name of the naval vessel as Taiping. The KMT force of Republic Of China briefly abandoned the islands after its defeat in China's civil war in 1949, but re-established the base in 1956. Today, Itu Aba Island, is still administrated by the Republic of China,

Following the defeat of Japan at the end of World War II, China re-claimed the entirety of the Spratly Islands (including Itu Aba), accepting the Japanese surrender on the islands based on the Cairo and Potsdam Declarations. The ROC government withdrew from most of the Spratly and Paracel Islands after they retreated to Taiwan from the opposing Communist Party of China, which founded the People's Republic of China in 1949. ROC quietly withdrew troops from Itu Aba in 1950, but reinstated them in 1956 in response to Tomas Cloma's sudden claim to the island as part of Freedomland.

Japan renounced all claims to the islands in the 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty, together with the Paracels, Pratas & other islands captured from China, upon which China reasserted its claim to the islands.

It was unclear whether France continued its claim to the islands after WWII, since none of the islands other than Itu Aba is habitable. The South Vietnamese government took over the Trường Sa administration after the defeat of the French at the end of the First Indochina War. In 1958, the People's Republic of China issued a declaration defining its territorial waters, which encompassed the Spratly Islands. North Vietnam's prime minister, Pham Van Dong, sent a formal note to Zhou Enlai, stating that the Government of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam respects the decision by China regarding the 12 nautical mile limit of territorial waters. In 2004, Vietnam issued a white paper saying, in part,

Vietnam has sufficient historical evidence and legal basis to assert its indisputable sovereignty over the territorial waters and islands of Vietnam in the East Sea, among them the Paracels and Spratlys. Nevertheless, for the common security interests of the parties concerned, Vietnam is ready to enter into peaceful negotiations to settle the problem, first and foremost by reaching an agreement on the "Code of Conduct" pending the final solution.
On May 23, 2011, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III warned the Chinese defense minister of a possible arms race in the region if tensions worsened over disputes in the South China Sea.

Aquino said he told visiting Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in their meeting that such an arms race could result if there were more encounters in the disputed and potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.

When we have these incidents, does it not promote an arms race happening within the region? And when there is an arms race, does not the potential for conflict increase? he recalled telling Liang.

The Philippines warned China that it might increase its military capabilities.

In May 2011, Chinese naval vessels opened fire on Vietnamese fishing vessels operating off East London Reef (Da Dong Island). Three military vessels were numbered 989, 27 and 28. They showed up with a small group of Chinese fishing vessels. Another Vietnamese fishing vessel was fired on near Cross (Chu Thap) Island. The Chief Commander of Border Guards in Phu Yen Province, Vietnam reports that a total of four Vietnamese vessels were fired upon by Chinese naval vessels.

TelecommunicationsIn 2005, cellular phone base station was erected by the Philippines' Smart Communications on Pag-asa Island.

On 18 May 2011, China Mobile announced that its mobile phone coverage has expanded to the Spratly Islands, under the rationale that it can allow soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen and merchant vessels within the area to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues. The deployment of China Mobile's support over the islands took roughly one year to fulfil.


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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2011, 11:21:51 AM »
muntik nako gumawa ng ganitong topic kanina nakita mo siguro status ko sa FB noh? hehe

china is 500 NM from those islands, what's their basis on their claims? historical sovereignty daw kalokohan yun

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2011, 11:25:32 AM »
muntik nako gumawa ng ganitong topic kanina nakita mo siguro status ko sa FB noh? hehe

china is 500 NM from those islands, what's their basis on their claims? historical sovereignty daw kalokohan yun

actually nung isang araw ko pa gustong gawan.. hehe..


sabi ng China nasa South China Sea daw kasi Spratlys.. hehehe..

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2011, 11:29:19 AM »
di kasi pedeng mapunta sa china spratlys mawawalan ng daanan ang US napakahalaga ng spratlys sa US eh, saka pag napunta sa china yun malaking advantage sa military nila yun which is ayaw mangyari ng US.

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2011, 11:30:15 AM »
kita ko na post mo peps.. post din natin dito..



US Destroyer sent to South China Sea amid tension in Spratlys


The United States has sent one of the most formidable warships, the USS Chung-Hoon, a guided-missile destroyer to the South China Sea and Sulu sea amid tensions between China, Vietnam and the Philippines over the disputed Spratly Islands.
"Yahoo Online News said that USS Chung-Hoon, a guided-missile destroyer, has been sent on an independent deployment to the South China as well as to the Sulu Sea early this week to assert right of free passage in the region," Philstar.com reports.
The ship will be sailing through waters that the US considers international waters to assert right of free passage and to demonstrate the international community does not accept national claims to the contrary, the report said.
Earlier China and Vietnam have accused each other for their presence in the disputed territories. In an apparent move to flex its muscle in the tension-filled sea lanes, Vietnam had announced it will do ammunition or firing drill not far from the disputed islands.
Following Vietnam's announcement for next week's firing drill, China has castigated the Philippines for its protest based on what it called "rumors" on the alleged incursions by Chinese vessels.
The Philippines said it has documented close to six incursions by Chinese vessels and aircraft since February off the Reed Bank which the Philippines said was well within Philippine territory.
The Spratly Islands are being claimed in whole or in part by several countries in Southeast Asia including China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan Brunei and the Philippines.
The islands reportedly sit on top of huge oil and gas deposits which have not been explored for commercial purposes.
China is claiming that the entire Spratly Islands are part of its territories.


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/307822

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2011, 11:30:50 AM »
di kasi pedeng mapunta sa china spratlys mawawalan ng daanan ang US napakahalaga ng spratlys sa US eh, saka pag napunta sa china yun malaking advantage sa military nila yun which is ayaw mangyari ng US.

so, are you saying na kakampi natin dito ang US?

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2011, 11:35:51 AM »
pagdating dyan sa spratlys yes, pero sabi nga ni hillary clinton hindi daw makikialam ang US sa issue ng spratlys as long na walang direct threat sa mainland ng philippines pero you actually believe na di talaga sila makikialam? eh nung nga kailan lang nung nagka tension between philippines saka china bigla lumapit yung fleet ng US.

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2011, 11:42:32 AM »
pagdating dyan sa spratlys yes, pero sabi nga ni hillary clinton hindi daw makikialam ang US sa issue ng spratlys as long na walang direct threat sa mainland ng philippines pero you actually believe na di talaga sila makikialam? eh nung nga kailan lang nung nagka tension between philippines saka china bigla lumapit yung fleet ng US.

well... mas marami namang pinagsamahan ang Pinas at US.. kesa US at China... hehehe..


natuwa ako sa Sinabi ni Senador Juan Ponce Enrile at Sendor Francis Pangilinan..


Sen. Francis Pangilinan on Friday said the Philippines must not allow itself to be bullied by China's "arrogance" in the dispute over the Spratly islands.

"Bakit tayo hihingi ng permiso sa kanila? Kaya nga disputed ang area na ito eh," he told reporters. "We should not allow ourselves to be intimidated."

Pangilinan added that the Philippines must press on with its diplomatic protest against China as a way of showing it cannot be bullied.

He said China's actions are unbecoming of a world power.

"Dapat 'yon malaking bansa, 'yon 'yong dapat maging mapagkumbaba," Pangilinan said.

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Amid rising tensions between the Philippines and China over the disputed Spratly islands, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile said the country must not allow itself to be bullied.

In a weekly forum on Thursday, Enrile said the Philippines must continue to assert its claim over the islands, and that China should not scold the country for this.

"For heaven's sake, don't lecture to us," Enrile said, referring to China. "We can equally lecture to you even if you are a giant."

He said China has to understand that the Philippines needs to assert itself "whenever we feel that they're intruding into our domain."

But the Philippines must also show that it is not a doormat and can also "bite," the senator added.

"And yet we do not want to develop the wherewithal to at least tell the guy who will bully us, 'You try to come near me and I willl bite you like a flee,'" He said. "We cannot even act as a flee because we have no sting."

He admits, however, that the Philippines has no capability to go against China.

And so when asked what the country's response should be to China's anger, Enrile said in jest, "Eh 'di magalit ka rin. Pero 'pag sinugod ka, takbo ka."



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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2011, 12:37:15 PM »
Question teacher: Iba ba ito dun sa tinatawag na Sabah? By the way nun kasing HS ako sa history meron daw kasing Island na ibinigay ng Sultan ng Brunei sa Sultan ng Sulu eh. Kabilang ba iyon sa Spratleys?Or iyon yung Sabah? ???

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Re: Spratly Islands
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2011, 12:41:46 PM »
iba yung sabah sa may borneo yun saka nasa malaysia na yun

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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2011, 12:46:54 PM »
iba yung sabah sa may borneo yun saka nasa malaysia na yun

Thanks for the correction. :D

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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2011, 12:50:33 PM »
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

China's distance fom Spratlys is twice as much as Philippines'. 200 nau mi. vs. 80. Joke na joke yung sinasabing "since Tang Dynasty" nila. sarap ibalik nung "tang" sa kanila.  ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteM9-ajhQY

short video tungkol sa spratlys.  
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2011, 12:54:50 PM »
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

Ah, so ito yung sinasabi na ibinigay sa Sultan of Sulu.?
OT: Merong naging chismax ata dito na si Nini or Nina Rasul ay legal owner ng Sabah, she was saying daw before na meron siyang mga documents na magpo-prove ng claims nila, ka-apu-apuhan ata siya ng Sultan of Sulu nun eh. Hindi ko lang alam kung totoo, kwento lang din ng History teacher nung HS.

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2011, 12:59:18 PM »
Yung sabah yung nasa northern side naman ng borneo island na dating teritoryo daw ng sultanate ng sulu na pinaupahan umano sa mga briton noon na hindi na nabawi.

China's distance fom Spratlys is twice as much as Philippines'. 200 nau mi. vs. 80. Joke na joke yung sinasabing "since Tang Dynasty" nila. sarap ibalik nung "tang" sa kanila.  ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KteM9-ajhQY

short video tungkol sa spratlys.  

natawa naman ako sa link mo yosO.