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Title: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 11, 2010, 11:29:17 PM
Ako, born Catholic.

Pero ngayon, sadyang faithful na lang.


You can also share your religions here, discuss religious differences (but do it in a civilicized manner).



NOTE: No to religion bashing!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Chris on July 11, 2010, 11:37:08 PM
Yep, me too. Catholic din.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 12, 2010, 02:56:37 AM
Catholic

di na nga ako nakapagsisimba  >:(  puro mosque andito  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
roman catholic...  pero magulo utak ko when it comes to religion XD
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 12, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
roman catholic...  pero magulo utak ko when it comes to religion XD

bakit? are you looking for answers? are you questoning your faith?

let's discuss that baka makatulong to enlighten you  :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 12, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 12, 2010, 11:51:54 AM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 11:06:32 AM
roman catholic...  pero magulo utak ko when it comes to religion XD

agree!

bakit? are you looking for answers? are you questoning your faith?

let's discuss that baka makatulong to enlighten you  :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 12, 2010, 12:34:12 PM
i'm a Catholic
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
@brusko

magulo kasi... pag tinignan mo naman yung mythology ng ibang religion, ganun din. para sa kin, same lang sila, it just so happens na pinanganak akong roman catholic... hindi ko naman kini-question yung faith ko :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 12, 2010, 06:18:57 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
@brusko

magulo kasi... pag tinignan mo naman yung mythology ng ibang religion, ganun din. para sa kin, same lang sila, it just so happens na pinanganak akong roman catholic... hindi ko naman kini-question yung faith ko :D

"mythology ng ibang religion".

You should be careful with what you say or you may end up contradicting yourself or your own religion hehe.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
ehehe... sorry... dapat pala "cosmology" yung ginamit kong term
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 12, 2010, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
@brusko

magulo kasi... pag tinignan mo naman yung mythology ng ibang religion, ganun din. para sa kin, same lang sila, it just so happens na pinanganak akong roman catholic... hindi ko naman kini-question yung faith ko :D


hmmm. I don't think so. hinde pare-pareho ang mga religion. It's true that most of us grasp kung ano kinalakihan nating relihiyon but we are given wisdom to understand the truth. Hinde pede yung parang robot lang tayo na susunod sunod kasi iyon ang kinalakihan natin. Paano pala pag mali yung kinalakihan natin?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 12, 2010, 09:19:33 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 06:42:16 PM
ehehe... sorry... dapat pala "cosmology" yung ginamit kong term

Parang lumayo bigla. Lol

It is dangerous to say "mythology ng ibang religion".  Mythology comes from the word "myth", which is a fabricated story, or something that is untrue. By this phrase you are already saying other religions are false.

Then when you said, "para sa kin, same lang sila", you are sort of contradicting yourself. Parang sinabi mo narin na mythology din religion mo.

Yun lang. Just want an interesting discussion and no offense meant. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: incognito on July 12, 2010, 09:41:03 PM
catholic.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: angelo on July 12, 2010, 11:28:07 PM
catholic. i just like it for its practices.. i just think it has a more convenient practice.
just the same, i believe in a higher being.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: bukojob on July 13, 2010, 01:43:43 PM
@carp

hehe, none taken. as I said before, magulo talaga utak ko pag dating sa religion
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 13, 2010, 08:38:01 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...

orthodox?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Let me be the first in this forum. I'm an agnostic/atheist.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Let me be the first in this forum. I'm an agnostic/atheist.  :)

how come?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Let me be the first in this forum. I'm an agnostic/atheist.  :)

how come?

How come what, being the first or being an agnostic/atheist?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 03:22:09 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:17:41 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:03:24 PM
Let me be the first in this forum. I'm an agnostic/atheist.  :)

how come?

How come what, being the first or being an agnostic/atheist?

what make you decide to be an agnostic/atheist?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:51:13 PM
^ I knew that was coming.

Simply put, I am unconvinced.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 08:58:43 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 03:51:13 PM
^ I knew that was coming.

Simply put, I am unconvinced.


It is every individual's right to choose and believe but I want to know why you are unconvinced. More elaboration would help us of course.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 09:31:57 PM
^ Help you convince me, or help you know why I am unconvinced? This might not be the right thread in any case. Another thread maybe? :P

Rest assured I am not someone who is just confused (spiritually, that is).  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Chris on July 14, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...

naguluhan ako dito. ang alam ko catholic at roman catholic ay pareho lang.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
I think this a proper venue since religious affiliations are discussed here. Well i respect that if you don't want to share your decisions why you come and decided for that. I just want to know why agnostics or atheists choose to be one.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
Quote from: Chris on July 14, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...

naguluhan ako dito. ang alam ko catholic at roman catholic ay pareho lang.



meron din kasi orthodox catholic church  :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: solomon on July 14, 2010, 10:15:08 PM
dati non-active/practicing christian ako. until i found bro  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 14, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 09:53:43 PM
I think this a proper venue since religious affiliations are discussed here. Well i respect that if you don't want to share your decisions why you come and decided for that. I just want to know why agnostics or atheists choose to be one.

As I've said, maybe another thread. This thread is ok for stating our religious affiliations. Baka kasi maging debate pa if I explain, which would derail the thread.

Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 14, 2010, 09:54:18 PM
meron din kasi orthodox catholic church  :D

I've heard about it, but what is the difference?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on July 15, 2010, 07:01:09 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again

Me too! Proud to be,  ;)

Victory Rob Pioneer.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 15, 2010, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: MaRfZ on July 15, 2010, 07:01:09 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again

Me too! Proud to be,  ;)

Victory Rob Pioneer.

talaga? Wow. Di pa ako nakapunta diyan pero sa rob pioneer oo. Hehe!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on July 16, 2010, 04:27:06 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 15, 2010, 08:26:50 AM
Quote from: MaRfZ on July 15, 2010, 07:01:09 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again

Me too! Proud to be,  ;)

Victory Rob Pioneer.

talaga? Wow. Di pa ako nakapunta diyan pero sa rob pioneer oo. Hehe!

lapit lang kasi sa office  :) ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 17, 2010, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: Chris on July 14, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...

naguluhan ako dito. ang alam ko catholic at roman catholic ay pareho lang.

dont want to be divisive... pero  isa lang naman talaga church e nagsplit lang during earlier times the one is orthodox and the other one is roman catholic nga na very vocal sa kanilang faith at that time... were trying to make things without really compromising the creed... believing in the Father Son and The holy Spirit... pinakamalking pagkakaiba lang siguro namin ... our priest are married and we have dancers and bands sa church..we have a patriarch based sa states..a primate bishops, priest and deacons...mahaba explanations bro ...hehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
matagal na
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 12:06:28 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 17, 2010, 01:40:51 AM
Quote from: Chris on July 14, 2010, 09:52:18 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 13, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
im a catholic but not roman...

naguluhan ako dito. ang alam ko catholic at roman catholic ay pareho lang.

dont want to be divisive... pero  isa lang naman talaga church e nagsplit lang during earlier times the one is orthodox and the other one is roman catholic nga na very vocal sa kanilang faith at that time... were trying to make things without really compromising the creed... believing in the Father Son and The holy Spirit... pinakamalking pagkakaiba lang siguro namin ... our priest are married and we have dancers and bands sa church..we have a patriarch based sa states..a primate bishops, priest and deacons...mahaba explanations bro ...hehe


eto ba yung Aglipay Church sa Pinas?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
matagal na


hahaha straight answer palagi. Care to share your thoughts about this? Kahit maliit na kwento is fine  :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
matagal na


hahaha straight answer palagi. Care to share your thoughts about this? Kahit maliit na kwento is fine  :D

tipid nga ni carpediem sumagot.. hehe..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 17, 2010, 12:59:51 PM
Atheism is a religion itself, right?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 01:02:47 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 17, 2010, 12:59:51 PM
Atheism is a religion itself, right?


and don't believe that God existed
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 17, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
respect you bro pinoy... i know for certain He will reveal Himself to you just be ready
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 01:28:06 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 17, 2010, 01:13:22 PM
respect you bro pinoy... i know for certain He will reveal Himself to you just be ready

^ibig yatang sabihin ni Brusko eh yung mga atheist daw ang hindi naniniwalang may god..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 01:39:57 PM
hahaha tama si jude. mali pagkaintindi ni joshgroban  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 01:58:01 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 01:39:57 PM
hahaha tama si jude. mali pagkaintindi ni joshgroban  ;D

hehe.. akala kasi ni joshgroban, wala ka rad Diyos.. hehe..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 02:42:01 PM
Wikipedia defines religion as "the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or more in general a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs."

Atheism is not a belief in and worship of a god or gods. Neither is it a set of beliefs explaining the existence of and giving meaning to the universe. In short, atheism is not a religion.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 02:58:45 PM
Quote from: fox69 on July 17, 2010, 12:28:50 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 11:10:49 AM
matagal na


hahaha straight answer palagi. Care to share your thoughts about this? Kahit maliit na kwento is fine  :D

honestly, im really curious about atheists that's why im hoping carpediem will share his thoughts/beliefs/experiences about his being one...

There is no story to tell really. The existence of a Christian God just does not appeal to me. Maybe there is a "god", or maybe there are even "gods". That is why I said I am an agnostic atheist.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 17, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
I have had several conversations with some of my friends who label themselves as agnostics. Just like carpediem, they "are not sure" if there is a/are god/s. However, I think that they are only confused because there is something in the existence of a supernatural being that leads them to question that a supernatural being does not exist. In other words, part of my agnostic friends' being considers the existence of a god, however, they can't rationalize it's existence so they resort to convincing themselves to believe that a god could not exist. Thus the confusion.

Anyway, I think that atheism is a religion in itself. A more reliable source for looking up to what religion really means is not Mr. Wiki, but rather the Encyclopedia of Religion. It defines religion as "the organization of life around the depth dimensions of experience — varied in form, completeness, and clarity in accordance with the environing culture." Atheism is an organized school of thought, and I believe it sprung up from the negative experiences of the spiritual. Moreover, the encyclopedia talks about religion as "a push, whether ill-defined or conscious, toward some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life." An atheist's principles and beliefs must have a foundation... a basis for which he/she decides to stand up for. That foundation I believe is one superior factor, an ultimacy, in which an atheist would live by. It can be Science, or Philosophy, or whatever that is.

That's just my thoughts on the topic of atheism. :-) I hope I learn more from you carpediem. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
most atheists are scientists, philosophers and those who experience real life threatening situations unanswerable by faith and blame God for misery and frustrations in life.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 04:23:21 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 17, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
I have had several conversations with some of my friends who label themselves as agnostics. Just like carpediem, they "are not sure" if there is a/are god/s. However, I think that they are only confused because there is something in the existence of a supernatural being that leads them to question that a supernatural being does not exist. In other words, part of my agnostic friends' being considers the existence of a god, however, they can't rationalize it's existence so they resort to convincing themselves to believe that a god could not exist. Thus the confusion.

Anyway, I think that atheism is a religion in itself. A more reliable source for looking up to what religion really means is not Mr. Wiki, but rather the Encyclopedia of Religion. It defines religion as "the organization of life around the depth dimensions of experience — varied in form, completeness, and clarity in accordance with the environing culture." Atheism is an organized school of thought, and I believe it sprung up from the negative experiences of the spiritual. Moreover, the encyclopedia talks about religion as "a push, whether ill-defined or conscious, toward some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life." An atheist's principles and beliefs must have a foundation... a basis for which he/she decides to stand up for. That foundation I believe is one superior factor, an ultimacy, in which an atheist would live by. It can be Science, or Philosophy, or whatever that is.

That's just my thoughts on the topic of atheism. :-) I hope I learn more from you carpediem. :-)

Yes of course Wikipedia cannot be considered as authoritative or even accurate. But anyone can give their own meaning to the word "religion".

Consider however this

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm)

"If atheism is a religion, then just what isn't a religion?"
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 04:25:08 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 04:23:21 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 17, 2010, 03:28:00 PM
I have had several conversations with some of my friends who label themselves as agnostics. Just like carpediem, they "are not sure" if there is a/are god/s. However, I think that they are only confused because there is something in the existence of a supernatural being that leads them to question that a supernatural being does not exist. In other words, part of my agnostic friends' being considers the existence of a god, however, they can't rationalize it's existence so they resort to convincing themselves to believe that a god could not exist. Thus the confusion.

Anyway, I think that atheism is a religion in itself. A more reliable source for looking up to what religion really means is not Mr. Wiki, but rather the Encyclopedia of Religion. It defines religion as "the organization of life around the depth dimensions of experience — varied in form, completeness, and clarity in accordance with the environing culture." Atheism is an organized school of thought, and I believe it sprung up from the negative experiences of the spiritual. Moreover, the encyclopedia talks about religion as "a push, whether ill-defined or conscious, toward some sort of ultimacy and transcendence that will provide norms and power for the rest of life." An atheist's principles and beliefs must have a foundation... a basis for which he/she decides to stand up for. That foundation I believe is one superior factor, an ultimacy, in which an atheist would live by. It can be Science, or Philosophy, or whatever that is.

That's just my thoughts on the topic of atheism. :-) I hope I learn more from you carpediem. :-)

Yes of course Wikipedia cannot be considered as authoritative or even accurate. But anyone can give their own meaning to the word "religion".

Consider however this

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm (http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/ath/blathm_rel_religion.htm)

"If atheism is a religion, then just what isn't a religion?"

nice observation carpediem.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: fox69 on July 17, 2010, 03:18:16 PM
^^^.can i probe deeper?
Pun intended? :P

Quote from: fox69 on July 17, 2010, 03:18:16 PM
when did you realize that the existence of a Christian god does not appeal to you? any real-life experience/s which led you to this? thanks  ;D

Eons ago. I do not (edit: erratum) mean to offend the believers here, but since you'd like to know, I'll just say that it does not appeal to logic... my logic at least.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 04:46:49 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 03:37:29 PM
most atheists are scientists, philosophers and those who experience real life threatening situations unanswerable by faith and blame God for misery and frustrations in life.
I do not know about others. But one thing is sure for me, my belief is not due to blaming God. (How can you blame something which you think does not exist in the first place?)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 04:54:58 PM
Just so that those who are not very clear on the terms gnostic vs agnostic, atheist vs theist, here is a good explanation

http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/ (http://freethinker.co.uk/2009/09/25/8419/)

As I've said, I'm an agnostic atheist. So far, it seems to me all of the believers here are gnostic theists. What I'd like to hear from is someone who is an agnostic theist or a gnostic atheist.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
to all the theist and atheist... i respect your opinion/belief...
but you might wanna give this a try..
its a blog/an article by Marilyn Adamson who used to be an atheist:


http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html


"Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ."
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:18:08 PM
Quote from: fox69 on July 17, 2010, 05:14:56 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:13:16 PM
to all the atheist... i respect your opinion/belief...
but you might wanna give this a try..
its a blog/an article by Marilyn Adamson who used to be an atheist:


http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html


"Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ."


brother jude_Law,  second account mo ba si solomon? hehehe


haha... wala akong planong gumawa ng second account dito fox.. aito lang ako, wala ng iba! hehehe..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:24:39 PM
Is There a God? - The Question
"Is there a God?" This question is answered by asking another, "how did we get here?" 20th century science has demonstrated, with certainty, that the universe is not eternal; the universe had a beginning. Actually, mankind has contemplated this issue for millennia, long before science proved a beginning. In all that time, man has conceived of only two possible solutions -- either Someone made the world, or the world made itself.

Is There a God? - Creation
"Is there a God?" Unless we can demonstrate the world is capable of creating itself, God is the default. The incredible design that permeates all things implies a Designer. Natural laws (cause and effect, thermodynamics, gravity, etc.) imply a Lawgiver. Personal creatures imply a Personal Creator. Since everything we observe in the universe is an effect, there must have been a First Cause. Unless we are able to explain satisfactorily how each of these things exist, without resorting to a supernatural force, and find empirical evidence to support our conclusion, a Creator is default. Furthermore, any derived conclusion must be within the bounds of natural law, as natural law is a part of the universe and remains unbroken within the universe.

Is There a God? - Atheism
Is there a God, or isn't there a God, depends on our ability to disprove God. The burden of proof rests upon atheism to validate its position. Currently, the common alternative to Special Creation via a Personal Creator is the Big Bang Model of Origins. This is the accepted theory today. It is a wonder how this theory came to be accepted, as it violates two of the three Laws of Thermodynamics, and the Law of Cause and Effect. Furthermore, as retrograde motion is observed throughout the universe, even within our own solar system, the Big Bang violates the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum. Beyond these violations of natural law, the Big Bang is unable to explain uneven "voids" and "clumps" throughout the universe. Plus, there remains the question, "where did the Big Bang come from?" This question remains unsolved, even in the minds of atheists. A few atheists hypothesize that the universe is eternal and only appears to have had a beginning. This contradicts quite a few empirical evidences and observations, as well as violating natural law.

Is There a God? - The Implications
"Is there a God?" is not a difficult question. The question that seems most perplexing is, "why are we determined to explain away God?" Let's give credit where credit is due. It seems that if there is a God, then we would be His creatures, and therefore, accountable to Him. Of course, this is not acceptable to a determined portion of mankind's intelligentsia. These "scholars" have a good control of the majority through arenas such as the public school system and the broadcast media. We are not exposed to both alternatives. We're not taught the problems with evolution, naturalism and materialism. We are simply taught the Big Bang is fact. The result is that we are not educated, we are indoctrinated. Unfortunately, the ultimate result is that we and our children are taught that there is no Divine Lawmaker, and therefore, there is no absolute law or morality. Everything in today's society, including moral codes and civil laws, are merely relative. "Survival of the fittest!" is the rally cry. No one stops to consider why or how morality developed, or that it seems to only function as a means for the survival of the weakest. Because we are taught there is no God, what would cause us to consider that perhaps there is a God and He instituted morality? Evolution is unable to account for the development of the moral code inherent in all of us. We simply ignore this truth, just as we seem to be ignoring God altogether. Society suffers tremendously as a result of our children being taught we share a common heritage with rocks and plants. Individuality, meaning and purpose no longer mean anything. And we wonder why our kids act like animals today.

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 17, 2010, 06:00:48 PM
And so it seems that this thread is starting to be derailed as I have predicted.

Quote from: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:24:39 PM
Unless we can demonstrate the world is capable of creating itself, God is the default. The incredible design that permeates all things implies a Designer. Natural laws (cause and effect, thermodynamics, gravity, etc.) imply a Lawgiver. Personal creatures imply a Personal Creator. Since everything we observe in the universe is an effect, there must have been a First Cause.
This is the "Watchmaker analogy", or the "Eye analogy". Just read the Criticism section of Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy#Criticism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmaker_analogy#Criticism)

Quote from: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 05:24:39 PM
Is there a God, or isn't there a God, depends on our ability to disprove God. The burden of proof rests upon atheism to validate its position.
I disagree. The burden of proof rests on the believers.

If someone were to tell you that he has a dwende, who do you think has the burden of proof? Is it you who have to disprove him, or him who has to prove his dwende to you?

Similarly, let us say you do not believe anything at first, and have no concept of "God". A Muslim then told you that Allah is the creator of everything and you should worship Allah. Is the burden to disprove Allah on you?

By the way, all men is born an atheist. (Well ok, probably Jesus was an exception. But that is another story.  :))
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 17, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
the fact that how universe is created is a big question mark to the atheists already.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 17, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
^^ hindi ako masyadong nagwi-wiki eh... may time kasi na mali rin ang info nila o kaya pananaw lang din ng iba yung andun.. pero hindi ko naman sinasabi na hindi totoo o mali lahat ng info..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 17, 2010, 11:07:44 PM
pagnagsimula ka nang hanapin ang meaning ng buhay marerealize mo na lang na there is a God...God is love ... so kung wala kang love wala kang God... di ito pwedeng paghiwalayin...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: angelo on July 20, 2010, 02:37:08 AM
dapat ang kausapin niyo dito si the good the bad & the ugly who's a member of the forum but fled away sometime last year. he is one great philosopher and has good points of view in terms of religion. haha!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: badboyjr on July 20, 2010, 11:00:26 AM
protestant... ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: marvinofthefaintsmile on July 20, 2010, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: MaRfZ on July 15, 2010, 07:01:09 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again

Me too! Proud to be,  ;)

Victory Rob Pioneer.

aq din! Victory Rob Pioneer.. Hmm. bka nagkita na tayo somewhere dun..

ngyn eh Victory Rob Metroeast naq since hinde naq Tigger Woods..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: marvinofthefaintsmile on July 20, 2010, 11:52:44 AM
grabe ung usapan... prang me nasense aqng intense sadness and despair... intuition lng po. hehhe..

Anyway, I believe in Christ, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I think God gave us enough understanding to know and acknowledge Him eh.. And so I did.. Opinion q lng po..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 20, 2010, 03:43:41 PM
madami din pala ang non RC dito...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
a true religion naman is not by name ... its how we live our lives...we may not be perfect but as long as there is love well surely find the right path
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 20, 2010, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
a true religion naman is not by name ... its how we live our lives...we may not be perfect but as long as there is love well surely find the right path

korek!

neither the religion nor the name of your God matters...
its what the kind of God you have..
Loving, Caring, Forgiving... kung ito ang klase ng Diyos meron ka.. am sure may respeto ka sa ibang relihiyon.

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:58:17 PM
korek ulit ...kaya nga pinagtitiisan ko yang si jude kahit matigas ang ulo...mahal ko yan kahit nanunuhol ng editor para iedit sya hahaha
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 20, 2010, 08:00:06 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:58:17 PM
korek ulit ...kaya nga pinagtitiisan ko yang si jude kahit matigas ang ulo...mahal ko yan kahit nanunuhol ng editor para iedit sya hahaha

maloko ka... out of topic! may magagalit na naman at baka sabihan na naman tayo na nagpaparami lang tayo ng post..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 08:01:45 PM
religion pa rin yun faith back up by good works
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 20, 2010, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
a true religion naman is not by name ... its how we live our lives...we may not be perfect but as long as there is love well surely find the right path

korek!

neither the religion nor the name of your God matters...
its what the kind of God you have..
Loving, Caring, Forgiving... kung ito ang klase ng Diyos meron ka.. am sure may respeto ka sa ibang relihiyon.



Eh, so you mean those who don't believe do not respect the believers?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 01:40:08 AM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 20, 2010, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 20, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
a true religion naman is not by name ... its how we live our lives...we may not be perfect but as long as there is love well surely find the right path

korek!

neither the religion nor the name of your God matters...
its what the kind of God you have..
Loving, Caring, Forgiving... kung ito ang klase ng Diyos meron ka.. am sure may respeto ka sa ibang relihiyon.



Eh, so you mean those who don't believe do not respect the believers?

don't get me wrong..  yung scope ng sinasabi ko ay sa mga may religion lang na na kinaaaniban.. i cannot speak for those who don't believe in God.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 02:28:32 PM
laging mga pagtatalo sa usaping ito... so better kung ilabas mo opinyon mo and if may inquiry yung iba sagutin mo... basta ako nicene creed is the basic proclamation of faith... andun na lahat
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Atheists still respect other people even they dont believe in God, right carpediem?  ;D

since atheists believe that God does not exist, do they believe that the universe were made by intelligent men including the mountains, oceans, etc?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
i think many atheists paint a picture of themselves as "enlightened," claiming they understand the origins, history, and motives behind Christianity and the Bible,, and lumping all religions together as if they all teach the same thing.
Many atheists, in their attempt to defend their beliefs, attempt to sound like experts about religious matters.
Archaeology is consistently proving the historical accuracy of the Bible. This means that the Bible can be trusted in what it says. The historical accuracy only strengthens my belief that the Bible is worthy of my trust and adherence.
How do you explain away the validity of the vast archaeological documentation of Biblical stories, places, and people?
Since absolutely no Biblical prophecy has ever failed , how can one realistically remain unconvinced that the Bible is of divine origin?
The results of this discussion are the responsibility of each individual.. may it be enlightenment, change of heart, or confirmation of personal beliefs.. no one can force anyone to believe anything. That is a farce.

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Atheists still respect other people even they dont believe in God, right carpediem?  ;D

since atheists believe that God does not exist, do they believe that the universe were made by intelligent men including the mountains, oceans, etc?
Yes atheists still respect other people. It is just that most theists lump all atheists together as if they all believe in the same things. ;D The only definitive thing about atheists is that they don't believe in God(s). Period.

For your second question, as far as I am concerned, I do not believe the universe was made by intelligent men.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
Archaeology is consistently proving the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Archaeology only gives evidence on historical accounts. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 04:40:59 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 04:35:14 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
Archaeology is consistently proving the historical accuracy of the Bible.
Archaeology only gives evidence on historical accounts. :)

exactly! and evidence are proofs of ascertaining the truth.

would you mind answering these questions?

1.If God does not exist, then from where comes humanity's universal moral sense?

2.If man is nothing but the random arrangement of molecules, what motivates you to care and to live honorably in the world?

3.How can something as small as a brain understand extremely complicated aspects of the universe, even though it is (supposedly) just a bunch of chemical reactions and electrical signals? But at the same time, this brain can't create another brain like itself, so how can nature, that has no brain, create a brain?

4.Everyone knows Mount Rushmore, Banaue Rice Terraces was the result of intelligent design. Do you think the human body is the result of intelligent design?

5.Is it possible that your unbelief in God is actually an unwillingness to submit to Him?

6.Does your present worldview provide you with an adequate sense of meaning and purpose?

7.Is there any evidence that would satisfy you and persuade you to become a believer, or are you just going to believe what you WANT to believe?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 05:32:38 PM
Quote1.If God does not exist, then from where comes humanity's universal moral sense?

Morality does not need God.

Try to answer the question by Socrates, "Is what is morally good loved by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is loved by God?"

Quote2.If man is nothing but the random arrangement of molecules, what motivates you to care and to live honorably in the world?

Motivation is not required for man to do good, although motivation does help, a lot.

Quote3.How can something as small as a brain understand extremely complicated aspects of the universe, even though it is (supposedly) just a bunch of chemical reactions and electrical signals? But at the same time, this brain can't create another brain like itself, so how can nature, that has no brain, create a brain?

The watchmaker analogy again. I'll just get the criticism from Wikipedia:

There are three main arguments against the Watchmaker analogy. The first is that complex artifacts do not, in fact, require a designer, but can and do arise from "mindless" natural processes (as in the "Infinite Monkey Theorem"). The second argument is that the watch is a faulty analogy. The third argument is that the watchmaker is arguably a far more complex organism than the watch, and if complexity proves intelligent design, then the question arises: who designed such a complex designer?

Quote4.Everyone knows Mount Rushmore, Banaue Rice Terraces was the result of intelligent design. Do you think the human body is the result of intelligent design?

The human body is the result of millions of years of natural selection.

Quote5.Is it possible that your unbelief in God is actually an unwillingness to submit to Him?

No, my unwillingness to submit is not what makes me not believe.

Quote6.Does your present worldview provide you with an adequate sense of meaning and purpose?

Hmm... so are you saying one should believe because if not his life will be without meaning or purpose?

Quote7.Is there any evidence that would satisfy you and persuade you to become a believer, or are you just going to believe what you WANT to believe?

I am not a teenager who acts or behaves the way I do just because that is the way I want to act or behave.

I will become a believer if evidence would provide me no reason for doubting. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 21, 2010, 06:32:36 PM
i think your post did not directly(in  true essence) answer my questions..

in fact, you just defend your beliefs...





Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 07:26:53 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 04:28:49 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 03:08:59 PM
Atheists still respect other people even they dont believe in God, right carpediem?  ;D

since atheists believe that God does not exist, do they believe that the universe were made by intelligent men including the mountains, oceans, etc?
Yes atheists still respect other people. It is just that most theists lump all atheists together as if they all believe in the same things. ;D The only definitive thing about atheists is that they don't believe in God(s). Period.

For your second question, as far as I am concerned, I do not believe the universe was made by intelligent men.


if you say that you don't believe in God it also means that God doesn't exist, right? Then who made the universe then?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 07:26:53 PM
if you say that you don't believe in God it also means that God doesn't exist, right? Then who made the universe then?

Not necessarily  ;D

There's a subtle difference between these two statements:
1. I do not believe there is a God.
2. I believe there is no God.

The first statement is more agnostic while the second is atheistic.

Who made the universe? I do not know. It might not be created by any entity. It is not necessary that there should be a creator.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:02:02 PM
haha ... basta walang pikunan sa exchange of views a... even kasi sa mga hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ... God still has a way of revealing himself through His creation ...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: angelo on July 21, 2010, 11:56:02 PM
i like this discussion.

from what i see is that "people" put in a "God" to stand as the ultimate creator or watchmaker. but it seems from carpediem's views, there is yet to be proven where all/everything started. both are probable though.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 22, 2010, 06:50:45 AM
this is also my favorite site thus far...it balance things in our lives
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 22, 2010, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 21, 2010, 10:02:02 PM
haha ... basta walang pikunan sa exchange of views a... even kasi sa mga hindi naniniwala sa Diyos ... God still has a way of revealing himself through His creation ...

tama josh.. mayroong paraan ang Diyos para i-reveal niya ang sarili niya sa bawat isa..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 21, 2010, 08:43:41 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 21, 2010, 07:26:53 PM
if you say that you don't believe in God it also means that God doesn't exist, right? Then who made the universe then?

Not necessarily  ;D

There's a subtle difference between these two statements:
1. I do not believe there is a God.
2. I believe there is no God.

The first statement is more agnostic while the second is atheistic.

Who made the universe? I do not know. It might not be created by any entity. It is not necessary that there should be a creator.


I think everyone deserves to know who created the universe. Malabo naman yun pag walang creator di ba?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
I think everyone deserves to know who created the universe. Malabo naman yun pag walang creator di ba?
It could be created, it could be just there. Or it could be created by a natural process. They are still looking for the answers.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 24, 2010, 03:29:08 PM
^ Pwedeng it occured naturally..

If you're someone who don't believes on a supreme being, the genesis of the universe is unknown/uncertain.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
of course, Universe is created naturally. Ang labo naman ata yung pag nanggaling sa evolvement because of thousands of light years.

How about the people? How can you say where it all started? That a man came from Ape? You really believe in the Evolution of man? If you believe man came from Ape, bakit yung ibang Apes hinde naging tao  ;D

I think it is more acceptable that there is a supreme being who creates the universe and the people to take care of the universe and other living things.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 24, 2010, 03:59:45 PM
I believe that a supreme being created the universe.. All the objects, processes in the universe are just amazingly intertwined with each other. It seems like each has its own purpose. Everyone and everything is benefiting from each other.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 24, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
I think everyone deserves to know who created the universe. Malabo naman yun pag walang creator di ba?
It could be created, it could be just there. Or it could be created by a natural process. They are still looking for the answers.

there is an answer.. they just don't want to buy it.  ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 05:48:13 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 24, 2010, 04:24:49 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 03:27:54 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 02:34:39 PM
I think everyone deserves to know who created the universe. Malabo naman yun pag walang creator di ba?
It could be created, it could be just there. Or it could be created by a natural process. They are still looking for the answers.

there is an answer.. they just don't want to buy it.  ;)
I for one do not  ;D

Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 24, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
of course, Universe is created naturally. Ang labo naman ata yung pag nanggaling sa evolvement because of thousands of light years.

How about the people? How can you say where it all started? That a man came from Ape? You really believe in the Evolution of man? If you believe man came from Ape, bakit yung ibang Apes hinde naging tao  ;D

I think it is more acceptable that there is a supreme being who creates the universe and the people to take care of the universe and other living things.
The evolution of man and ape diverged eons ago.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 24, 2010, 08:21:06 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 05:48:13 PM

The evolution of man and ape diverged eons ago.


uh... and so you're open to the possibiity, that us humans and other living things will/might still evolve into something ellse in the next 200,000 years??? lol! ;D
if you believe in charles darwin theory of evolution, do you think we are still in the process of evolving?
do you possibly think that something more intelligent specie might evolve from human beings?

"the missing link" is a big HOAX!
coz untill now.. that missing link is still missing!!!
I mean, have you ever seen an ape that could be taught to do algebra?  No!  Other than the most basic skills (which a dog can also be taught), an ape does not have the capacity to learn anywhere near the human level.  Apes are dumb!  You can say a dog is smart (and it might be), but it can't logic like a human being can. 
if we evolved from a lower species, then why is it that the apes didn't evolve in the evolutionary process?
Where are all those half man/half ape fossils which should be abundant in the earth's soil layers?  They don't exist. 

Evolution are for people who do not acknowledge the word of God in their life.

Even today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms.  Why didn't they evolve?
if evolution were true, then you would think that different groups of animals could naturally breed.  A horse and a giraffe cannot breed offspring.  A cat and a dog cannot breed offspring.  Only through modern genetic DNA tampering can scientists play god and create monsters.

On the contrary, thousands upon thousands of scrolls of the Bible have been discovered throughout the holy land.  They all agree with each other.  The Bible and history accurately coincide.  How could one book written by 40 men over a 1,500 year time period be so accurate.
Most of those men didn't know each other.  The Bible is a perfectly interlocking prophetic puzzle, a masterpiece of literature.  Further, the Bible is the ONLY book on the face of this earth which addresses the sinfulness of mankind and our need for a Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
It's been said that man wouldn't write the Bible if he could, and couldn't if he would.  There is no book which even compares.  The Qur'an contains NO prophecy.  The Qur'an is obviously biased against Christians and Jews.  The Word of God is not biased against anyone. 

Evolution is in direct opposition to the Bible.

The earliest man is said, by the evolutionists, to have existed one or two million years old.
Oddly enough, man has accomplished more in the last 6,000 years than he did in the previous million years. This would be true in light of the fact that we have not one shred of evidence that man did anything in that previous one million years!


Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 24, 2010, 09:13:37 PM
agree ako jude...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 09:37:32 PM
Quoteuh... and so you're open to the possibiity, that us humans and other living things will/might still evolve into something ellse in the next 200,000 years??? lol!
if you believe in charles darwin theory of evolution, do you think we are still in the process of evolving?
do you possibly think that something more intelligent specie might evolve from human beings?
Yes, what is the problem with that?

QuoteI mean, have you ever seen an ape that could be taught to do algebra?  No!  Other than the most basic skills (which a dog can also be taught), an ape does not have the capacity to learn anywhere near the human level.  Apes are dumb!  You can say a dog is smart (and it might be), but it can't logic like a human being can.
Huh? What do these have anything to do with evolution?

Quoteif we evolved from a lower species, then why is it that the apes didn't evolve in the evolutionary process?
QuoteEven today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms.  Why didn't they evolve?
At least read up on evolution. It is not like everything should evolve to the same species.

Quoteif evolution were true, then you would think that different groups of animals could naturally breed.  A horse and a giraffe cannot breed offspring.  A cat and a dog cannot breed offspring.  Only through modern genetic DNA tampering can scientists play god and create monsters.
Hmm. I do not know where you get the idea that evolution allows arbitrary breeding of different species.

QuoteOn the contrary, thousands upon thousands of scrolls of the Bible have been discovered throughout the holy land.  They all agree with each other.  The Bible and history accurately coincide.  How could one book written by 40 men over a 1,500 year time period be so accurate.
....
I'm no Bible scholar. But there are tons of materials in the Internet that discuss the contradictions of the text in the book.

QuoteThe earliest man is said, by the evolutionists, to have existed one or two million years old.
Oddly enough, man has accomplished more in the last 6,000 years than he did in the previous million years. This would be true in light of the fact that we have not one shred of evidence that man did anything in that previous one million year
And your point is?

QuoteEvolution are for people who do not acknowledge the word of God in their life.
Actually, there are a lot of Cristians who accept evolution.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 25, 2010, 02:06:15 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 24, 2010, 09:37:32 PM

I'm no Bible scholar. But there are tons of materials in the Internet that discuss the contradictions of the text in the book.

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haha... hindi mo pa nga nabasa yata ng buo ang Bible inalam mo na agad ang contadictions, ano naman yun?
i suggest basahin mo muna ng buo ang Bible..

half of human pains find no remedy except through science.. but man has other pains which constitute his 'human' suffering, the suffering which relates to his human dimension. Here science provides no help, and the scientists, when they reach this point, declare that science is neutral and indifferent; it is a means and it does not prescribe any goal for mankind. Science does not elevate human objectives, and does not provide a direction. Rather, it must be said that man uses science as an aid in the direction which he selects in life.

When the predictions of the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Creation are compared to the real world, Creation's predictions are found to be much more accurate than Evolution's predictions. Evolutionists have found ways to explain contradictions but support for the theory is weakened because so many explanations are required.

When taken as a whole, the real world gives evidence that belief in a Creator is a reasonable faith and that belief in evolution is not as scientific as it claims. And, once you accept the possibility that the creation had an all powerful and wise Creator, then the creation story is not preposterous at all. In fact, it is quite uplifting to realize that mankind was God's final and greatest creation since God put some of his own creative ability into mankind.

The final prediction of evolution is that humankind will eventually become extinct after we are succeeded by a superior animal or we make the earth uninhabitable. On the other hand, the final prediction of the creation story is found in the last chapter of the Bible. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. People will dwell together in peace in the presence of the Creator.




Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 25, 2010, 03:01:57 PM
Quotei suggest basahin mo muna ng buo ang Bible

And I suggest you read more about the Theory of Evolution, and not just listen to just the conventional theists' views of it because they are grossly inaccurate.

Given the scientific view versus any other view, be it religious or otherwise, I'd choose the scientific view.

If science proves a theory wrong someday, it would gladly accept its new findings. Science never stops its search.

Just imagine, if the scientists back then who declared that Earth is not the center of the universe succumbed to the religious community, we would still be in the Dark Ages. And oh by the way, why was it called the "Dark Ages" during that time?




Anyway, I do not want to continue this. As I have mentioned since the start, the thread is at risk of becoming a debate.

Let's just end it here and agree to disagree.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 25, 2010, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 25, 2010, 03:01:57 PM
Quotei suggest basahin mo muna ng buo ang Bible

And I suggest you read more about the Theory of Evolution, and not just listen to just the conventional theists' views of it because they are grossly inaccurate.

Given the scientific view versus any other view, be it religious or otherwise, I'd choose the scientific view.

If science proves a theory wrong someday, it would gladly accept its new findings. Science never stops its search.

Just imagine, if the scientists back then who declared that Earth is not the center of the universe succumbed to the religious community, we would still be in the Dark Ages. And oh by the way, why was it called the "Dark Ages" during that time?




Anyway, I do not want to continue this. As I have mentioned since the start, the thread is at risk of becoming a debate.

Let's just end it here and agree to disagree.

i've read a lot about it.. we even studied it in my biology and zoology class.. ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 25, 2010, 06:37:31 PM
Dark Ages is the period after the decline of Roman Empire where there are cultural and economical deterioration. This got nothing to do with the theory of evolution  ;D

Well based on what you said, if scientists discover that the earth is not the center of the universe blah blah. What difference that it makes to us as a person? We we're just informed based on scientific views. That doesn't convince me that God doesn't exist. It is the same thing before that someone claims that the world is flat but found out that it is round  ;D It didn't change a thing, right. Scientific views are more of theories with basis but no confirmation that it really happened just like the Big Bang theory, dinosaurs era. Those informations just added knowledge to us to make our lives meaningful but that doesn't change a thing that God doesn't exist.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 25, 2010, 10:01:54 PM
^ Science does not aim to prove that God does not exist. My point is just that look how the Christian teachings must change to be compatible with science.

If you lived in the Dark Ages, when Christianity dominated the West and the clergy was more powerful than the court, and you declared that the sun is the center of the universe and the earth revolves around it, and the universe is billions of years old, you would surely be burned alive as a heretic.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 25, 2010, 10:27:15 PM
"LET ME EXPLAIN THE problem science has with Jesus Christ." The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand. "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"

"Yes, sir."

"So you believe in God?"

"Absolutely."

"Is God good?"

"Sure! God's good."

"Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"

"Yes."

"Are you good or evil?"

"The Bible says I'm evil."

The professor grins knowingly. "Ahh! THE BIBLE!" He considers for a moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help them? Would you try?"

"Yes sir, I would."

"So you're good...!"

"I wouldn't say that."

"Why not say that? You would help a sick and maimed person if you could... in fact most of us would if we could... God doesn't."

No answer.

"He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?" No answer.

The elderly man is sympathetic. "No, you can't, can you?" He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. In philosophy, you have to go easy with the new ones. "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"

"Er... Yes."

"Is Satan good?"

"No."

"Where does Satan come from?"

The student falters. "From... God..."

"That's right. God made Satan, didn't he?" The elderly man runs his bony fingers through his thinning hair and turns to the smirking, student audience. "I think we're going to have a lot of fun this semester, ladies and gentlemen." He turns back to the Christian. "Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?"

"Yes, sir."

"Evil's everywhere, isn't it? Did God make everything?"

"Yes."

"Who created evil?"

No answer.

"Is there sickness in this world? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All the terrible things - do they exist in this world?"

The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."

"Who created them?"

No answer.

The professor suddenly shouts at his student. "WHO CREATED THEM? TELL ME, PLEASE!" The professor closes in for the kill and climbs into the Christian's face. In a still small voice: "God created all evil, didn't He, son?"

No answer.

The student tries to hold the steady, experienced gaze and fails.

Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace the front of the classroom like an aging panther. The class is mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues, "How is it that this God is good if He created all evil throughout all time?"

The professor swishes his arms around to encompass the wickedness of the world. "All the hatred, the brutality, all the pain, all the torture, all the death and ugliness and all the suffering created by this good God is all over the world, isn't it, young man?"

No answer.

"Don't you see it all over the place? Huh?" Pause. "Don't you?" The professor leans into the student's face again and whispers,

"Is God good?"

No answer..

"Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?"

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor. I do."

The old man shakes his head sadly. "Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I've never seen Him."

"Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"

"No, sir. I have not."

"Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus... in fact, do you have any sensory perception of your God whatsoever?"

No answer.

"Answer me, please."

"No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

"You're AFRAID... you haven't?"

"No, sir."

"Yet you still believe in him?"

"...yes..."

"That takes FAITH!" The professor smiles sagely at the underling. "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Where is your God now?"

The student doesn't answer.

"Sit down, please."

The Christian sits...Defeated. Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"

The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"Is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No, sir, there isn't."

The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold. The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.

"There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it."

Silence.

A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.

"Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"

"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"

"Yes..."

"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"

Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."

The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"

"Sir, may I explain what I mean?" The class is all ears.

"Explain... oh, explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and then here's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."

The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"

"Of course there is, now look..."

"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses.

"Isn't evil the absence of good?"

The professor's face has turned an alarming color. He is so angry he is temporarily speechless. The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."

The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't vie this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.

"Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"

"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

"So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

"I believe in what is - that's science!"

"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face spits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."

"SCIENCE IS FLAWED..?" the professor splutters.

The class is in uproar. The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?"

The professor wisely keeps silent. The Christian looks around the room.

"Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?"

The class breaks out in laughter. The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain...felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?" No one appears to have done so.

The Christian shakes his head sadly.

"It appears no one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says the professor has no brain."

The class is in chaos. The Christian sits...

Because that is what a chair is for.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 25, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
^ forwarded e-mail to a..  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 25, 2010, 10:36:07 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on July 25, 2010, 10:33:28 PM
^ forwarded e-mail to a..  :)

i hope mabasa ni carpediem.. hehe..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 26, 2010, 12:40:45 AM
^ Old fable. Read it when I was still in college.

Its main argument is that evil is the absence of good. Of course that is false, because there is there is a point called neutral in the scale from good to evil. The world is not in black and white, but in scales of grey.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/theodicy_absence.html (http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/theodicy_absence.html)

While you are at it, also read "The Problem of Evil"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 26, 2010, 04:03:19 PM
if i have to reiterate that theres no way we can convince anybody to believe in God through this forum... i will ... believing in God is a personal thing... di mababawasan ang Diyos if you dont believe Him and at the same time di naman tayo better than the rest if were just saying we believe in God... Only God can judge all our motives here... if you have love in your heart ... di mo man sabihin na kristyano ka ...in the sight of the Lord ... anak ka nya... if you dont believe God so be it... when Christ died on the cross 2000 yrs ago... He died once and for all... blessed are those who believe even if they dont see... thats faith.. you know and you know that ... there is God...no human explanation can really understand it... its beyond what our natural minds can fathom...peace be with you all
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 26, 2010, 04:49:49 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on July 26, 2010, 04:03:19 PM
if i have to reiterate that theres no way we can convince anybody to believe in God through this forum... i will ... believing in God is a personal thing

Agreed, there's no way, that's why you need faith. You believe in your religion and that is good.

There is no point in arguing, no point for a believer to try to convince an otherwise happy atheist living a morally good life, and vice-versa.

Peace.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 26, 2010, 05:49:30 PM
.. and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 26, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
di naman tayo nag-argue dito pinaguusapan lang ang issue.

Andun pa din yung respect sa kanya kanyang opinyon. Mas professional naman ang usapin dito kesa sa Pex na ROT thread  ::)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 27, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 26, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
di naman tayo nag-argue dito pinaguusapan lang ang issue.

Andun pa din yung respect sa kanya kanyang opinyon. Mas professional naman ang usapin dito kesa sa Pex na ROT thread  ::)

i agree with brusko.. we don't argue here..nilalatag natin ang mga kuro-kuro, pananaw... if you think nag-aaway na tayo dito 'wag na tayong mag-forum diba????? sino ba namimilit na paniwalaan ang isang bagay? wala naman diba?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 27, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Just some anecdotes from renowned scientists:

1. Stephen Hawking, a British astrophysicist said: "Then we shall... be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God."

2. Johannes Kepler, the one who formulated the Laws of Planetary Motion said: "I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for 'the heavens declare the glory of God.'"

3. Isaac Newton, formulator of the 3 Laws of Motion said: " This thing [a scale model of our solar system] is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you, as an atheist, profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?"

4. Michael Faraday also said: "Speculations? I have none. I am resting on certainties. 'I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day.'"

5. James Prescott Joule who described the First Law of Thermodynamics said: "It is evident that an acquaintance with natural laws means no less than an acquaintance with the mind of God therein expressed."

6. Louis Pasteur said: "The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator."

And yes,

7. Albert Einstein, who did not believe in a personal God said: "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." He also said, "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 27, 2010, 07:45:33 PM
^ two thumbs up Caloy!!! ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 27, 2010, 08:04:02 PM
I cannot blame atheists and agnostics to be such. I believe they are who they are because of experiences. Let not science be the reason for science synergizes the divine. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 28, 2010, 01:06:15 AM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 27, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 26, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
di naman tayo nag-argue dito pinaguusapan lang ang issue.

Andun pa din yung respect sa kanya kanyang opinyon. Mas professional naman ang usapin dito kesa sa Pex na ROT thread  ::)

i agree with brusko.. we don't argue here..nilalatag natin ang mga kuro-kuro, pananaw... if you think nag-aaway na tayo dito 'wag na tayong mag-forum diba????? sino ba namimilit na paniwalaan ang isang bagay? wala naman diba?

I was referring to the general case, not specific to this forum.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 28, 2010, 01:12:08 AM
@ctan: Hehe, you should not be selective of the scientists' quotes and take them out of context.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 28, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Hi carpediem! Of course I am selective. :-) anyway, I'm only trying to raise the point that science shouldn't be the reason for man's disbelief of the divine as even some of the world's greatest scientists and advocates of the scientific method are strong proponents of the existence of a supernatural being that we all commonly know as God. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 28, 2010, 01:10:17 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 28, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Hi carpediem! Of course I am selective. :-) anyway, I'm only trying to raise the point that science shouldn't be the reason for man's disbelief of the divine as even some of the world's greatest scientists and advocates of the scientific method are strong proponents of the existence of a supernatural being that we all commonly know as God. :-)

take it from the doc, carpediem..
hi doc ctan.. buti ka pa! si Solomon walang balak magpaliwanag kay carpediem..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on July 28, 2010, 07:54:27 PM
hahaha natatakot mapahiya siguro  ;D kasi expected natin na marami siyang alam about Religion and to defend it kasi magpapari siya
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 29, 2010, 01:46:07 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 28, 2010, 11:49:30 AM
Hi carpediem! Of course I am selective. :-) anyway, I'm only trying to raise the point that science shouldn't be the reason for man's disbelief of the divine as even some of the world's greatest scientists and advocates of the scientific method are strong proponents of the existence of a supernatural being that we all commonly know as God. :-)

Of all the people Doc, you shouldn't be selective. :) I hope that is not the case when you are doing medical reviews and the like.  ;D

To balance a bit:

Stephen Hawking also said "There is a fundamental difference between religion, which is based on authority, (and) science, which is based on observation and reason. Science will win because it works."

Albert Einstein also said "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings."

and "If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism."

As a side note, many atheists do not have problem with Buddhism, because it is nontheistic/agnostic.

Anyway, point taken.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 29, 2010, 09:50:35 AM
Medically wise, we are also to be selective in the information that we receive from patients. Selective in a way that we are able to filter out what features are salient or pertinent to the case. :-) And even in research. For example in doing a metananalysis on a certain topic, we take into consideration everything that's within the scope of the general thesis. However, we put limits to the topic and select which ones are essential and not. That's why we think in order to be properly selective. :-)

Anyway, back to topic. :-) Yes, Stephen Hawking said that during an interview at ABC World News. However, when we continue with the interview, he also said, "what could define God [is thinking of God] as the embodiment of the laws of nature. However, this is not what most people would think of that God. They made a human-like being with whom one can have a personal relationship. When you look at the vast size of the universe and how insignificant an accidental human life is in it, that seems most impossible."

About Einstein. It was clear in the anecdote I quoted. It makes him angry if people quote him that he supports the view of an atheist. I have read that Einstein was more attracted to Buddhism, and I wouldn't be surprised at all, because even if he doesn't want to call himself pantheist, he's more so inclined to it. He does not believe in a personal God because he thinks that a personal God is a reflection of human frailty -- a character that is not apt for the God who revealed Himself through the cosmos.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: solomon on July 29, 2010, 10:08:21 AM
@jude, pinoybrusko, fox69

sa tingin nyo ba you could convince carpediem with your long explainations? as iv said id rather talk to carpediem alone
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 29, 2010, 12:32:06 PM
Quote from: solomon on July 29, 2010, 10:08:21 AM
@jude, pinoybrusko, fox69

sa tingin nyo ba you could convince carpediem with your long explainations? as iv said id rather talk to carpediem alone

okay.. talk to him na... hehe..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: marvinofthefaintsmile on July 29, 2010, 05:04:23 PM
prang naging sobrang complicated n ng topic na to..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on July 29, 2010, 11:28:46 PM
^ basta something "religious", nagiging ganun.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on July 29, 2010, 11:47:27 PM
korek.... ibig sabihin personal na bagay ang religion ng tao
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on July 30, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
@ctan: Off topic, do doctors withhold some findings from their patients? If so, why?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on July 30, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 30, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
@ctan: Off topic, do doctors withhold some findings from their patients? If so, why?

no. it is the patient's right to know. the applicability of being selecive does not apply in this aspect. when you try to analyze the context of my being selective, you will know why.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on July 30, 2010, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 30, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 30, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
@ctan: Off topic, do doctors withhold some findings from their patients? If so, why?

no. it is the patient's right to know. the applicability of being selecive does not apply in this aspect. when you try to analyze the context of my being selective, you will know why.

in the US.. that is their way..
but here in the philippines.. its the other way around.. mas nauuna pang malaman ng family yung sakit nung naka-ospital kesa sa tao mismo na may sakit.
tas tatanungin sa pamilya.. kung gusto bang ipaalam sa kanya yung totoo niyang sakit..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on August 02, 2010, 12:55:05 PM
OT: pag naiisip ko yung human evolution ni carpediem.. naalala ko yung homer evolution.. hehe..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faRlFsYmkeY&feature=related
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on August 03, 2010, 07:09:55 AM
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on July 20, 2010, 11:27:48 AM
Quote from: MaRfZ on July 15, 2010, 07:01:09 AM
Quote from: ctan on July 12, 2010, 01:23:22 AM
ako born again

Me too! Proud to be,  ;)

Victory Rob Pioneer.

aq din! Victory Rob Pioneer.. Hmm. bka nagkita na tayo somewhere dun..

ngyn eh Victory Rob Metroeast naq since hinde naq Tigger Woods..

Kuya marvs,

dalaw ka minsan dito sa pioneer. Hehe. KApe kape lang.. Hehe.

actually 3rd church ko ito, pumunta ko every friday service.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: marvinofthefaintsmile on August 03, 2010, 09:34:28 AM
yup. dadalaw aq sa pioneer this month.. kaso dq alam kung magkikita tyo dun.. Dq dn kc alam kung anung oras ung sasabihin ni HR..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on August 04, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
every friday nasa rob pioneer din ako. may cellgroup meeting kami dun. hehehe.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on August 04, 2010, 05:40:48 AM
Quote from: ctan on August 04, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
every friday nasa rob pioneer din ako. may cellgroup meeting kami dun. hehehe.

Ah baka nagkita na tayo dun minsan. umaatend ako ng friday service sa rob pioneer since baba lang ng office. hehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jaguar05 on September 14, 2010, 10:26:39 PM
Marami nang pinatay at mamamatay at papatayin because of religious or faith matters. That's the reality based on the recorded history. Religion and faith..the most sensitive issue of humanity.

I'm an ADD member.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on September 20, 2010, 07:59:21 PM
just want to share my own experience to other christians.

i am a christian and happy to know that a lot of people here was.

i was born a catholic, became non-practicing catholic. In some points of my life a started questioning God and at some point believed there is none. But whenever I think where all this things came from it all comes back to God (nag-RCA ako.hehehe  ;D). Everything happens like a "domino effect" and God's hand was the one who pushed the first domino. I am always thankful to the person who shared God's love to me.

Peace!

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on September 21, 2010, 07:51:36 PM
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Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jaguar05 on September 21, 2010, 09:02:14 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 27, 2010, 05:36:45 PM
Just some anecdotes from renowned scientists:

1. Stephen Hawking, a British astrophysicist said: "Then we shall... be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of God."

2. Johannes Kepler, the one who formulated the Laws of Planetary Motion said: "I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for 'the heavens declare the glory of God.'"

3. Isaac Newton, formulator of the 3 Laws of Motion said: " This thing [a scale model of our solar system] is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you, as an atheist, profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?"

4. Michael Faraday also said: "Speculations? I have none. I am resting on certainties. 'I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day.'"

5. James Prescott Joule who described the First Law of Thermodynamics said: "It is evident that an acquaintance with natural laws means no less than an acquaintance with the mind of God therein expressed."

6. Louis Pasteur said: "The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator."

And yes,

7. Albert Einstein, who did not believe in a personal God said: "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views." He also said, "I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangements of the books, but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God."

Like this one.  :D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jaguar05 on September 21, 2010, 09:05:08 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on July 30, 2010, 07:08:48 PM
Quote from: ctan on July 30, 2010, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: carpediem on July 30, 2010, 01:24:23 AM
@ctan: Off topic, do doctors withhold some findings from their patients? If so, why?

no. it is the patient's right to know. the applicability of being selecive does not apply in this aspect. when you try to analyze the context of my being selective, you will know why.

in the US.. that is their way..
but here in the philippines.. its the other way around.. mas nauuna pang malaman ng family yung sakit nung naka-ospital kesa sa tao mismo na may sakit.
tas tatanungin sa pamilya.. kung gusto bang ipaalam sa kanya yung totoo niyang sakit..

May mga factors pa kasi kung bakit hindi pa pina-paalam. It does happen.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 23, 2010, 04:04:53 PM
Religion : Catholic
Relationship : Christian

Para kasi sa akin ang Chirstian is not a religion it is more on relationship with God. :)

Quote from: ctan on August 04, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
every friday nasa rob pioneer din ako. may cellgroup meeting kami dun. hehehe.

Nice... may CG pala kayo sa Rob Pioneer. nice.... :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 23, 2010, 07:31:55 PM
Every thursday na ngayon maykel. :-)

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 25, 2010, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: ctan on December 23, 2010, 07:31:55 PM
Every thursday na ngayon maykel. :-)



nice... pede ba akong sumama kahit minsan.. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 26, 2010, 12:01:50 AM
sure!!! :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on December 26, 2010, 06:33:09 AM
nice christian din pala si maykel?  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 26, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on December 26, 2010, 06:33:09 AM
nice christian din pala si maykel?  :)

Opo. christian po ako... :)
hindi lang gaanong halata... :)

Quote from: ctan on December 26, 2010, 12:01:50 AM
sure!!! :-)
Thanks. Maybe next year eh makasama ako. I will inform you kapag pede ako..:)

Plan ko kasi next year is magchurch na ulit. It's been 6 mos na walang sunday service or any gathering eh.hehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 28, 2010, 01:43:09 PM
I agree with junjaporms... sa dami kasi ng religion sa bansa natin eh hindi mo madistinguish kung sinu ang kabilang sa mga sect na hindi nagcecelebrate ng Christmas. I think naging issue na yun before. Pinagbawal na sa airport ang paggreet ng "Merry Christmas".
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 28, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
^ I think iba naman yung case na pinagbabawal sa airport ang paggreet ng "Merry Christmas". Dahil nagiging bad habit and tradition na yung Merry Christmas sabay hingi ng pera o aginaldo. Imagine mo pag nakita ng mga forein visitors yan, baka next time may dagdag tagline na ang Pilipinas aside from "a nation of servants" -- "a nation of beggars".
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 28, 2010, 02:30:44 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 28, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
^ I think iba naman yung case na pinagbabawal sa airport ang paggreet ng "Merry Christmas". Dahil nagiging bad habit and tradition na yung Merry Christmas sabay hingi ng pera o aginaldo. Imagine mo pag nakita ng mga forein visitors yan, baka next time may dagdag tagline na ang Pilipinas aside from "a nation of servants" -- "a nation of beggars".

ay ganun ba yun.. sori hindi kasi ako palabasa ng news... :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on December 28, 2010, 11:28:29 PM
if you say say "happy holidays!" parang sinabi mo parin na "merry christmas", for all we know wala namang "merry atheist day" tuwing december; christmas day lng.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on December 28, 2010, 11:29:35 PM
^ di rin a. "holidays" kasi walang pasok karamihan.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 28, 2010, 11:37:18 PM
^ yeah, and Winter Holidays, New Year's Day.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 29, 2010, 02:38:37 PM
I still couldn't see why it's offensive for some. After all, when muslims greet us with Happy Eid I'll Adha or Happy Eid I'll Fitr, I am happy for their celebration. When Americans greet us with Happy Thanksgiving Day, I am thankful in return. When people greet Happy Halloween, I don't mind. Why, with that one simple greeting, would atheists (not all atheists though) would get offended. Scared that Christmas might be true after all? Hehehe. Yun lang. :-) I don't know if there are atheists (or agnostics) here, but if there are, I'm just thinking out loud. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 29, 2010, 03:29:27 PM
^ Yes there is at least one atheist or agnostic here hehe.

Just like what you said, not all are offended. Just like some Christians are offended and some are not when they are greeted by Muslims with "Happy <insert Muslim holiday here>". I was told that some members of Iglesia ni Cristo are offended if you greet them "Merry Christmas", though I am not sure if this is true.

Anyway, I think many knows this. Christmas was originally a pagan tradition celebrating the Winter Solstice that was adapted by Christianity to celebrate the birth of Christ.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 29, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Hahaha. I knew it, it is you carpediem! Hahaha! :-) thank God for you, you're an open-minded one. Hehe. :-)

Aah, about Christmas. Yes, December 25 was actually the day pagans celebrate for their Sun god. Then the papacy wanted to convert the pagans, and adapted that day to commemorate Christ's birth. :-) but it's only a remembrance of Jesus' birth. I assert that the Christmas spirit should be in each one's heart everyday. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 29, 2010, 03:45:58 PM
^ ;D

Anyway. Here's a hidden smiley I found -> 0:) Don't know if there are more.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 29, 2010, 03:51:38 PM
boss, paano mo nagawa yan?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 29, 2010, 03:59:57 PM
^ simple lang naman. quote mo lang ako, makikita mo na kung paano.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on December 29, 2010, 04:01:23 PM
I see. Salamat boss.. :))
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on December 29, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: ctan on December 29, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Hahaha. I knew it, it is you carpediem! Hahaha! :-) thank God for you, you're an open-minded one. Hehe. :-)

Aah, about Christmas. Yes, December 25 was actually the day pagans celebrate for their Sun god. Then the papacy wanted to convert the pagans, and adapted that day to commemorate Christ's birth. :-) but it's only a remembrance of Jesus' birth. I assert that the Christmas spirit should be in each one's heart everyday. :-)

alam ko may pinagbasehan talaga sila na ginawang december 25 birthday ni Jesus. Kinuha daw hints sa bibliya
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 30, 2010, 05:11:41 PM
Sabi naman ng iba, parang hindi daw akma ang dec25 sa scenario ng nativity scene sa Bible.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 30, 2010, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 29, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
Quote from: ctan on December 29, 2010, 03:36:34 PM
Hahaha. I knew it, it is you carpediem! Hahaha! :-) thank God for you, you're an open-minded one. Hehe. :-)

Aah, about Christmas. Yes, December 25 was actually the day pagans celebrate for their Sun god. Then the papacy wanted to convert the pagans, and adapted that day to commemorate Christ's birth. :-) but it's only a remembrance of Jesus' birth. I assert that the Christmas spirit should be in each one's heart everyday. :-)

alam ko may pinagbasehan talaga sila na ginawang december 25 birthday ni Jesus. Kinuha daw hints sa bibliya

Take this with a grain of salt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw&t=6m38s
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Mr.Yos0 on December 31, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
^ Buo ko na napanood yan.

Quote from: ctan on December 30, 2010, 05:11:41 PM
Sabi naman ng iba, parang hindi daw akma ang dec25 sa scenario ng nativity scene sa Bible.

oo nga daw, kasi hindi naman daw winter yung eksena e.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on December 31, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 31, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
^ Buo ko na napanood yan.

Quote from: ctan on December 30, 2010, 05:11:41 PM
Sabi naman ng iba, parang hindi daw akma ang dec25 sa scenario ng nativity scene sa Bible.

oo nga daw, kasi hindi naman daw winter yung eksena e.

nagi-snow ba sa jerusalem? parang hindi naman..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 31, 2010, 04:34:30 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on December 31, 2010, 11:46:54 AM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 31, 2010, 11:43:27 AM
^ Buo ko na napanood yan.

Quote from: ctan on December 30, 2010, 05:11:41 PM
Sabi naman ng iba, parang hindi daw akma ang dec25 sa scenario ng nativity scene sa Bible.

oo nga daw, kasi hindi naman daw winter yung eksena e.

nagi-snow ba sa jerusalem? parang hindi naman..

yes jude, nag-iisnow daw dun...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 31, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Jesus was born in Bethlehem not Jerusalem diba.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on December 31, 2010, 05:11:35 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 31, 2010, 04:50:08 PM
Jesus was born in Bethlehem not Jerusalem diba.


hahaha. tama! :-) if it snows in Bethlehem, it is very rare daw. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on January 01, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Hinde naman nagi-is-snow sa Israel at Palestine (where Bethlehem and Jerusalem are found) since near the equator ang 2 bansang ito  ;D

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on January 14, 2011, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 29, 2010, 03:29:27 PM
^ Yes there is at least one atheist or agnostic here hehe.

Just like what you said, not all are offended. Just like some Christians are offended and some are not when they are greeted by Muslims with "Happy <insert Muslim holiday here>". I was told that some members of Iglesia ni Cristo are offended if you greet them "Merry Christmas", though I am not sure if this is true.

Anyway, I think many knows this. Christmas was originally a pagan tradition celebrating the Winter Solstice that was adapted by Christianity to celebrate the birth of Christ.
they are offended pero tinatanggap nila ang christmas bonus hehe... chill...just a thought
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on January 15, 2011, 05:45:39 PM
Benefits yun josh eh. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on January 15, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
but if you dont believe on it.... anong right mo na magbenefit
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on January 15, 2011, 08:56:17 PM
^ If you are referring the the PH law on Christmas bonus, then all salary receiving workers have that right, regardless of their religious affiliation (or lack thereof), because that's the 13th-month benefit provided by the labor law.

Hmm, are you saying that those who do not believe, or are still withholding their belief, in (the Christian) God do not deserve His love?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on January 16, 2011, 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: joshgroban on January 15, 2011, 07:33:40 PM
but if you dont believe on it.... anong right mo na magbenefit

hindi naman siguro josh. :-) kapag promulgated by law, all those affected should enjoy their right to claim the benefit. :-) parang yung Eid'l Fitr at Eid'l Adha lang na Moslem celebrations dito sa Pinas. Lahat tayo walang pasok (well, mostly) kasi ginawang parang batas. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on January 16, 2011, 09:39:41 AM
Quote from: carpediem on January 15, 2011, 08:56:17 PM
Hmm, are you saying that those who do not believe, or are still withholding their belief, in (the Christian) God do not deserve His love?


sasagot ako ha. :-) for me, everyone DOES NOT deserve God's love. who is finite man to receive benefits from a God who is perfect, blameless, and utterly magnificent? the wonderful news about this is that God bestows grace and mercy...

GRACE because eventhough man is loved by God eventhough we do not deserve His love. and by receiving God's love, ANY ONE is privileged to go before Him and have a personal relationship with Him as personal Lord and Savior. one can even go further by being inquisitive about God. it is said in Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. inquire of Him, ask about your doubts about Him.

MERCY because eventhough we deserve damnation because of the evil in us, God chose to bestow a way out to us and that is through Jesus Christ... who died and rose from the grave to give salvation to those who seek it. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on January 17, 2011, 09:46:23 AM
Very well said doc. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on February 07, 2011, 07:44:04 AM
Sa amin darkstar, different denominations have different views on that. As for me, naniniwala ako sa sinabi sa book of Romans that God reveals Himself through nature and instances. I believe that even if none have shared Christianity with them, the thought that they have an idea of some higher being is good enough for God to judge them accordingly. In instances too, because just like the conversion of the apostle Paul, no one shared to him, but he had an encounter with God. In both scenarios, I have listened to testimonies of how they came to know God through those that I've mentioned.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on February 07, 2011, 05:24:38 PM
I know all Christians are waiting for the second coming of Christ and I remember it will happen when all people in the world hear God's words regardless if they accept it or not aside from other signs written in the Bible.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on February 07, 2011, 06:25:51 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on February 07, 2011, 05:24:38 PM
I know all Christians are waiting for the second coming of Christ and I remember it will happen when all people in the world hear God's words regardless if they accept it or not aside from other signs written in the Bible.

I agree with that brusko. However, the original Greek in the New Testament is quite vague whether it refers to individual people, or people groups.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on February 07, 2011, 06:26:19 PM
Quote from: darkstar13 on February 07, 2011, 09:03:20 AM
I see.
I think we have the same thoughts.
Samin kasi, God will judge those who have not heard His words by the laws to which a person is under.

Thanks for the insight :D

What's your religious affiliation darkstar?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on February 08, 2011, 07:42:34 AM
INC ka pala darkstar. ;)
Marami rami din akong friends na INC. ^_^
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on February 08, 2011, 09:21:55 PM
Quote from: darkstar13 on February 08, 2011, 03:42:42 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on February 08, 2011, 07:42:34 AM
INC ka pala darkstar. ;)
Marami rami din akong friends na INC. ^_^

yes, but i am not as devout INC as other are.

how's that?
hindi ka ba matitiwalag nun?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on February 08, 2011, 09:57:46 PM
also have friends na inc.... sakin religion is more of a relationship...im a part of charismatic episcopal church and  our priests are married
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on February 08, 2011, 10:44:00 PM
i agree with josh..


it doesnt really matter what religion you are in..
what matters most eh kung papano mo isinakatutuparan ang mga aral ng Diyos.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
^ eh? what if wala o maraming Diyos yung religion?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
^ eh? what if wala o maraming Diyos yung religion?

ridiculous! anong relihiyon ang walang aral na itinuturo?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
^ eh? what if wala o maraming Diyos yung religion?

ridiculous! anong relihiyon ang walang aral na itinuturo?

no di ko naman sinasabi na may relihiyon na walang aral na itinuturo

ang sabi mo kasi basta sumusunod ka sa mga aral ng Diyos (ng relihiyon mo), it doesn't matter what religion you are in

i'm just pointing out the fact that not all religions have a God, and there are also religions with many gods
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on February 09, 2011, 04:27:15 PM
Hinduism - a religion with many gods
atheism - a religion with no god


...I think the issue should not be concentrated in religion (since marami ito at iba ibang groups at sects), para mas malinaw ang issue, it should be concentrated sa teachings from the Holy Bible since it is what everybody uses regardless of religious groups
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
^ Atheism is not a religion

Quotethe Holy Bible ... is what everybody uses regardless of religious groups

Quoting jude, that's ridiculous! Only Christians use the Holy Bible.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 09:35:29 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
^ Atheism is not a religion

Quotethe Holy Bible ... is what everybody uses regardless of religious groups

Quoting jude, that's ridiculous! Only Christians use the Holy Bible.

^i agree with this one..  ;D


Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 12:34:32 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 12:28:09 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 01:17:19 AM
^ eh? what if wala o maraming Diyos yung religion?

ridiculous! anong relihiyon ang walang aral na itinuturo?

no di ko naman sinasabi na may relihiyon na walang aral na itinuturo

ang sabi mo kasi basta sumusunod ka sa mga aral ng Diyos (ng relihiyon mo), it doesn't matter what religion you are in

i'm just pointing out the fact that not all religions have a God, and there are also religions with many gods

eto lang yun eh.. ano ang common thing sa tingin niyo ang itinuturo ng mga relihiyon?
diba to do what is good not just for yourself but to the people around you and your environment.
ngayon kung wala ka namang relihiyon, still you know what is good and what is not..


Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
^ Ok. I take it that when you said "Diyos" you did not necessarily mean Diyos. You meant the truths and the spiritual guidance of the teachings of the religion, whether the religion does not have a God, has one God, or has more than one gods.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 09:51:44 PM
^ Ok. I take it that when you said "Diyos" you did not necessarily mean Diyos. You meant the truths and the spiritual guidance of the teachings of the religion, whether the religion does not have a God, has one God, or has more than one gods.

okay.. hehe. ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on February 10, 2011, 12:57:14 AM
our creed is the foundation of faith...Father... Son and the Holy Spirit
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on February 15, 2011, 05:12:50 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 09, 2011, 05:24:04 PM
^ Atheism is not a religion

Quotethe Holy Bible ... is what everybody uses regardless of religious groups

Quoting jude, that's ridiculous! Only Christians use the Holy Bible.


I'm pertaining to Christians (composed of many groups and sects). Nagkakaroon kasi ng iba't ibang teachings doon pa lang sa circle of Christians. Of course di kasama dito ang islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and other religions  :o

ang point kasi dito for my understanding, as Jude mentioned, whatever your sect/group in Christianity you belong instead of word "Religion" as long as you know what is good and what is bad, it is enough to say you are a good follower regardless of your denominations you are into. tama ba?  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 16, 2011, 12:26:14 AM
(serious question) why then are there deep conflicts among Christian denominations?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 16, 2011, 11:21:26 AM
^ Then it is not the case that what pinoybrusko said is enough

Quoteas long as you know what is good and what is bad, it is enough to say you are a good follower regardless of your denominations you are into
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 16, 2011, 01:15:57 PM
^ Yun nga, so it seems it is not enough to know (or pretend to know) what is good and what is bad, to be a good follower regardless of your (Christian) denomination. Kasi there are deep conflicts, and the people involved would say that they are good followers in their own respective denominations.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on February 16, 2011, 08:09:23 PM
love is the fulfillment of the law.... ito lang ang basis ko
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on February 17, 2011, 03:46:53 PM
There are conflicts or let's say, disagreement sa iba't ibang Christian denominations simply because of differences in interpretation of the Bible. Sa mga protestants naman, it's alright to have minor differences which may concern church traditions, etc. What's more important is that we, protestants, all agree on the essentials --- that is about the basis of our faith.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on February 20, 2011, 05:26:02 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 16, 2011, 12:26:14 AM
(serious question) why then are there deep conflicts among Christian denominations?


hinde siya deep conflicts, meron lang pagkakaiba ng paniniwala ang ibang tao lalo na yung mga founder ng denominations. Andun pa din ang basic teachings ng Bible. like for example ang 7th day adventist, they prefer saturday as their sabbath day and not sunday. and so the others. born again prefer more singing and praise in worship than 1 hour mass of catholics. things like these did not alter the basic teachings of Faith
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on February 20, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
There are, like the conflicts in Ireland.

http://www.courseworkhelp.co.uk/GCSE/History/03.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on February 20, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
Quote from: carpediem on February 20, 2011, 05:43:42 PM
There are, like the conflicts in Ireland.

http://www.courseworkhelp.co.uk/GCSE/History/03.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles


the conflict not only involves religion. mas mataas ang percentage ng politics at military
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: VinLaden on May 18, 2011, 01:34:01 PM
sarado katoliko.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: S3 on May 19, 2011, 10:30:51 AM
Ako (non-practicing) Roman Catholic. ahehehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: S3 on May 19, 2011, 10:37:16 AM
hindi ako nakakapagsimba. hehe. ano ba yung mga religious activities na dapat ginagawa?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: S3 on May 19, 2011, 10:44:18 AM
ahh, ung pagdadasal minsan drop-by lang ng ilang minuto sa simbahan. o kaya pag naalala lang kahit na nasa ibang lugar. ung kumpisal naman, siguro mga three years ago na yung last. hehe. Pakiramdam ko tuloy ang-sama ko na. hahaha
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on October 29, 2011, 08:07:22 PM
nagiging mukhang "deep" conflict lang kasi yung ibang groups, ginagawang major issue ang differences in church culture and traditions, over what's supposed to be only the essentials in Christianity.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on October 30, 2011, 10:53:47 AM
Quote from: maykel on December 23, 2010, 04:04:53 PM
Religion : Catholic
Relationship : Christian

Para kasi sa akin ang Chirstian is not a religion it is more on relationship with God. :)

Quote from: ctan on August 04, 2010, 12:19:45 AM
every friday nasa rob pioneer din ako. may cellgroup meeting kami dun. hehehe.
Same here, although before  I beleive na yung catholic ay Christian din. Kasi nga di ba kristiyanong bansa tayo. haha...For me it does not matter kung ano ang maging affiliation mo, what matters is yung relationship mo kay God, sa Christian-Born again church kasi dun ramdam ko yung experience eh. hindi ko ma-explain, hirap i-explain sa forum lalo na kapag tinatamad ka mag-type. hahaha...I guess you would understand me naman.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Vortex - Sana magkaron ng time na magkarong tayo ng sharing..  ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on October 30, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Vortex - Sana magkaron ng time na magkarong tayo ng sharing..  ;)
That would be great, I'll be looking forward to it. When it comes to such matter, hindi ako nagdadalawang-isip. hehehe...Especially kapag about Him!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pong on October 30, 2011, 04:28:54 PM
my 2 cents: ewan ko. napaka-ambiguous talaga ng doctrine ng Christianity (or Catholicism).

RC ako pero madalas pag puro kaewanan ang sermon ng pari hindi ako nakikinig.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: vortex on October 30, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Vortex - Sana magkaron ng time na magkarong tayo ng sharing..  ;)
That would be great, I'll be looking forward to it. When it comes to such matter, hindi ako nagdadalawang-isip. hehehe...Especially kapag about Him!

nakakatuwa ka naman.. sana nga dumating yun time na nayan..  ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on November 02, 2011, 02:03:32 PM
Quote from: vortex on October 30, 2011, 10:53:47 AM

Same here, although before  I beleive na yung catholic ay Christian din. Kasi nga di ba kristiyanong bansa tayo. haha...For me it does not matter kung ano ang maging affiliation mo, what matters is yung relationship mo kay God, sa Christian-Born again church kasi dun ramdam ko yung experience eh. hindi ko ma-explain, hirap i-explain sa forum lalo na kapag tinatamad ka mag-type. hahaha...I guess you would understand me naman.
Agree!!!! marami kasi na pinagiisa ang dalawang yan. :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on November 03, 2011, 09:23:51 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: vortex on October 30, 2011, 04:21:32 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on October 30, 2011, 04:02:31 PM
Vortex - Sana magkaron ng time na magkarong tayo ng sharing..  ;)
That would be great, I'll be looking forward to it. When it comes to such matter, hindi ako nagdadalawang-isip. hehehe...Especially kapag about Him!

nakakatuwa ka naman.. sana nga dumating yun time na nayan..  ;)

dapat kasama ako dito...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on November 03, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
gusto niyo start tayo ng dgroup / cell? hehehe!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: asul on November 04, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: darkstar13 on July 15, 2010, 01:49:28 PM
I'm INC.




KAPATID..!haha ako rin. a proud INC
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: darkstar13 on November 04, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
Quote from: asul on November 04, 2011, 12:41:47 PM
Quote from: darkstar13 on July 15, 2010, 01:49:28 PM
I'm INC.




KAPATID..!haha ako rin. a proud INC

;) hehe welcome kapatid.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on November 05, 2011, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: ctan on November 03, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
gusto niyo start tayo ng dgroup / cell? hehehe!

pwede....
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on November 08, 2011, 09:15:59 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on November 05, 2011, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: ctan on November 03, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
gusto niyo start tayo ng dgroup / cell? hehehe!

pwede....


every friday night sa starbuck abs... hehehe...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on November 10, 2011, 08:09:39 PM
Quote from: noyskie on November 08, 2011, 09:15:59 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on November 05, 2011, 01:59:55 AM
Quote from: ctan on November 03, 2011, 09:49:58 PM
gusto niyo start tayo ng dgroup / cell? hehehe!

pwede....


every friday night sa starbuck abs... hehehe...

pwede!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jazaustria on November 10, 2011, 08:17:26 PM
pede! fri nights sbux! lol
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on November 11, 2011, 07:28:39 AM
call ako dyan
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on November 11, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
ako rin! ikaw na magset monch. :-)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on November 12, 2011, 07:20:03 PM
OT: Share ko lang, yung church/ministry namin will be conducting like an outreach this coming Christmas Season, I guess we'll be having a little Christmas Party sa isang Boystown, and share some lessons in life and messages of God. I am so excited kasi nasa to-do-list ko iyan for the year eh, ang ma-involve sa mga ganung activities, like social uplifting, etc.  I think I did something like that before sa  orgs na may ganung purpose pero iba ito, kasi ako mismo ang kasama dun. I really like such things, kasi I want to spend my time doing something of worth. hehehe...wala lang na-share ko lang. pasensiya na!
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on November 12, 2011, 10:02:51 PM
maganda yan vortex!  ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on November 12, 2011, 11:12:44 PM
Quote from: ctan on November 11, 2011, 04:03:53 PM
ako rin! ikaw na magset monch. :-)

hmmmm di naman to pilitan di ba....so tex tex na lang
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: marvinofthefaintsmile on November 23, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
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Religion.. you get rich without capital and can avoid taxes. I was then reminded of a priest in Lucban who was able to build a mansion worth 5million but he doesn't have a job nor a wealthy family background to back that up.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on November 23, 2011, 02:29:00 PM
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on November 23, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
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Religion.. you get rich without capital and can avoid taxes. I was then reminded of a priest in Lucban who was able to build a mansion worth 5million but he doesn't have a job nor a wealthy family background to back that up.
My opinion on this:

I will never say that I will be good without God, nor will I say that a person is good without God.

Hindi naman iyon tungkol kung gaano kalaki o gaano kaliit ang naibigay mo sa kapwa mo, nasa motibo mo yun.

Para naman sa mga taong ginagamit ang Diyos para sa pansariling interes, may kalalagyan din sila. Kailan ma'y hindi naging negosyo ang paglilingkod sa Diyos.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vir on November 23, 2011, 04:34:04 PM
ang tanong, mayaman nga sila pero masaya kaya sila??..

life is not about wealth and charity doesn't have a price..

we can also be "good" by just giving a penny to a starving child in the street..to God, it's enough, as long as it comes from the heart..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on November 23, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Firstly, one doesn't need to be a believer to do good (or to be good, like what the pic says).

Second, if one is a believer, he is not automatically good.

Third, there are nonbelievers who are happy.

Lastly, whether Warren Buffett and Bill Gates are happy or not, one thing's for sure: they make millions of people happy through their charity work.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on November 23, 2011, 07:03:39 PM
Quote from: carpediem on November 23, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Firstly, one doesn't need to be a believer to do good (or to be good, like what the pic says).

Second, if one is a believer, he is not automatically good.

Third, there are nonbelievers who are happy.

Lastly, whether Warren Buffett and Bill Gates are happy or not, one thing's for sure: they make millions of people happy through their charity work.
What a brilliant thinking! Nice.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on November 23, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
Well, hindi naman yan sa religion or sa dami ng good works at dami ng taong napapasaya, nasa faith yan ng isang tao, paniniwalang may Diyos siyang kinikilala at sinasamba..  :)

Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vir on November 24, 2011, 12:20:19 AM
^ tama..at tingin ko hindi rin sukatan kung lagi kang nagsisimba (para sa mga catholic) o nagdarasal..as long as di nawawala yung faith mo sa Kanya..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on November 24, 2011, 02:21:35 PM
Quote from: carpediem on November 23, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Firstly, one doesn't need to be a believer to do good (or to be good, like what the pic says).

Second, if one is a believer, he is not automatically good.

Third, there are nonbelievers who are happy.

Lastly, whether Warren Buffett and Bill Gates are happy or not, one thing's for sure: they make millions of people happy through their charity work.

and just want to add.
There are claiming believers who are really not good at all.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: maykel on November 24, 2011, 02:25:30 PM
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on November 23, 2011, 11:38:37 AM
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Religion.. you get rich without capital and can avoid taxes. I was then reminded of a priest in Lucban who was able to build a mansion worth 5million but he doesn't have a job nor a wealthy family background to back that up.
First and foremost you can never say how good a person is just because they have donated millions of dollar to a certain charitable institution. I, personally, can say that they are charitable, that's it.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on November 25, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
Quote from: carpediem on November 23, 2011, 06:24:03 PM
Firstly, one doesn't need to be a believer to do good (or to be good, like what the pic says).

Second, if one is a believer, he is not automatically good.

Third, there are nonbelievers who are happy.

Lastly, whether Warren Buffett and Bill Gates are happy or not, one thing's for sure: they make millions of people happy through their charity work.


but it is still best if you're a believer. Good or not, you're in the right path. Bad things can be corrected and forgiveness are given unlike an unbeliever, he does good only for himself and to others but no bearing with God.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on November 26, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
People are missing the point.

Simply put, one can be good without believing. Morality does not come from God.

Quote from: pinoybrusko on November 25, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
unlike an unbeliever, he does good only for himself and to others but no bearing with God.

Now isn't it better to be good for goodness's sake, and not because you don't want to burn in hell?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: solomon on November 26, 2011, 08:37:50 PM
Quote from: carpediem on November 26, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
Now isn't it better to be good for goodness's sake, and not because you don't want to burn in hell?

I AGREE
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: ctan on November 27, 2011, 01:27:07 PM
for me, goodness is a result of a transformed life. and goodness does not actually assure one of a spot in heaven.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on November 28, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
Quote from: MaRfZ on November 23, 2011, 08:57:53 PM
Well, hindi naman yan sa religion or sa dami ng good works at dami ng taong napapasaya, nasa faith yan ng isang tao, paniniwalang may Diyos siyang kinikilala at sinasamba..  :)


tama. Religion for me is just a grouping of people, but what matters is your relationship mo kay God. Yes, helping people or doing good things count, but what really counts is pleasing God. You are here not to please people but to please God. Well I liked the explanation and philosophy dun sa 3 richest persons, but who knows, anything can change. Maybe when Gates' and Buffet's wealth vanish, it is possible for them to seek God, if the same thing happens to Pat Robertson, who is a known Christian and evangelist (siya ata yung founder ng 700 Club Asia), it is possible that he might turn away from God. It's a matter of Faith and building/re-building ones faith.

Quotefor me, goodness is a result of a transformed life. and goodness does not actually assure one of a spot in heaven.
Tama ka dyan. Sa palagay ko hindi talaga iyan sapat, goodness is another thing from RIGHTEOUSNESS. Doing what is good is different from doing what is right. Yung tatlong taong nabanggit sa itaas, they are doing good things, but they are not doing the right things. Kayo na bahala mag-distinguish, hahaha..tinatamad na ako mag-type. Yan ang mahirap kapag wala magawa tapos gutom eh,kung ano-ano ang nasasabi. hehehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on November 29, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
Quote from: vortex on November 28, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
Tama ka dyan. Sa palagay ko hindi talaga iyan sapat, goodness is another thing from RIGHTEOUSNESS. Doing what is good is different from doing what is right.

I agree that "good" and "right" are not the same (same thing with "bad" and "wrong"). Now define what is righteousness, and what makes doing something right.

I would say that what is "right" is more relative than what is "good". What is right for Christians may not be right for Muslims and vice versa. Actions that are "good" however, like charity, love, compassion, are more universal.

Quote from: vortex on November 28, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
Yung tatlong taong nabanggit sa itaas, they are doing good things, but they are not doing the right things.

So what have they done wrong?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on December 01, 2011, 03:44:55 PM
QuoteQuote from: vortex on November 28, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
Yung tatlong taong nabanggit sa itaas, they are doing good things, but they are not doing the right things.


So what have they done wrong?
Well from my point of view, yung sa unang dalawa, mabuti yung ginagawa nila na nagse-share sila ng wealth nila sa iba, pero mali ang hindi sila maging related kay God.
Sa huli naman, tama yung may relationship siya kay God pero hindi naman tama yung idea na hindi siya mag-share ng kung anong meron siya. Hindi ko alam kung ano pa yung ibang bagay na ginagawa nila, but on my point of view, magka-iba ang paggawa ng mabuti sa paggawa ng tama. Iyun lang. hahaha.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 01, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
ok i respect that
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on December 02, 2011, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 01, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
ok i respect that
hahaha...naguluhan ka ano? Ganito na lang, siguro sabihin na lang nating, magka-iba ang paggawa ng mabuti sa paggawa ng tama...hahaha
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 02, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
ah no, hindi ako naguluhan
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vir on December 03, 2011, 05:35:22 AM
Quote from: vortex on December 02, 2011, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 01, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
ok i respect that
hahaha...naguluhan ka ano? Ganito na lang, siguro sabihin na lang nating, magka-iba ang paggawa ng mabuti sa paggawa ng tama...hahaha

ano nga ba pinagkaiba?

ang paggawa ng mabuti ay ayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos?

at ang paggawa ng tama ay base sa sarili mong desisyon,sa kung ano ang tingin mong tama kaht pa taliwas sa kagustuhan ng Diyos?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vortex on December 03, 2011, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: vir on December 03, 2011, 05:35:22 AM
Quote from: vortex on December 02, 2011, 02:29:04 PM
Quote from: carpediem on December 01, 2011, 11:23:38 PM
ok i respect that
hahaha...naguluhan ka ano? Ganito na lang, siguro sabihin na lang nating, magka-iba ang paggawa ng mabuti sa paggawa ng tama...hahaha

ano nga ba pinagkaiba?

ang paggawa ng mabuti ay ayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos?

at ang paggawa ng tama ay base sa sarili mong desisyon,sa kung ano ang tingin mong tama kaht pa taliwas sa kagustuhan ng Diyos?
OT:
ahm,sa mata natin parehong maganda ang paningin natin sa mabuti at tama.
Ganito na lang siguro ang analogy:
halimbawa may isang ama na nawalan ng trabaho at walang maipakain sa kanyang pamilya.
Out of desperation, naisip nya na ang mabuti nyang magagawa is kumita ng pera sa maling paraan (magnakaw etc). Pero hindi tama ang pamamaraan nya.
isa kang pulis at may ipinakulong ka na kriminal, hindi mabuti para sa pamilya nya ang iyong ginawa pero ginawa mo naman ang tama.
may nakita kang mali na ginagawa ng officemate mo, pero dahil ayaw mo ng gulo, naisip mo ang manahimik ka na lamang, mabuti ang ginawa mo para hind kayo magkagulo, pero siyempre hindi iyon tama dahil hindi mo maitatama ang mali nya.

May mga pulitiko na gumagawa ng mabuti out of publicity, but not sincerely, hind iyon tama.
May mga tao na gumagawa ng mabuti ayon sa kagustuhan nila, iyon ang tama.

Humahaba na yung nasabi ko, nahihirapan na rin ako mag-explain. hehehe...Ganito na lang, siguro kapag nakasama ako sa Eyeball itanong nyo ulet sa akin ito, iyun ay  kung maaalala ko pa. hahaha...

Pareho namang ayon sa kagustuhan ng Diyos ang paggawa ng mabuti at tama, minsan nga lang may sarili ng standard ang tao ng tama at mabuti.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: vir on December 04, 2011, 06:21:40 AM
^ hi vortex, salamat sa iyong words of wisdom..will keep that in mind..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: MaRfZ on December 04, 2011, 06:53:43 AM
timog and vir -  ;)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: don.bagsit on December 08, 2011, 04:42:46 PM
i'm baptized as a catholic, pero the most important thing for me is yung di ka makakasakit ng kapwa...di natin alam kung ano ang tamang religion...i just do the basic stuff...yung may compassion...di ko practice yung pinaka unang utos
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on December 18, 2011, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: carpediem on November 26, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
People are missing the point.

Simply put, one can be good without believing. Morality does not come from God.

Quote from: pinoybrusko on November 25, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
unlike an unbeliever, he does good only for himself and to others but no bearing with God.

Now isn't it better to be good for goodness's sake, and not because you don't want to burn in hell?


true, you can be good without believing. You have decided to stop believing, whatever that reason is, I won't ask. For sure, everyone of us started we believe on something because of the people around us and the community we live in.

In your second statement, I don't buy the idea doing good to others without a purpose because in everything we do may reason, motive or intention dapat. Pag walang basis ang paggawa ng mabuti, useless ang gumawa ng mabuti, right?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 18, 2011, 11:15:50 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on December 18, 2011, 12:35:19 AM
I don't buy the idea doing good to others without a purpose because in everything we do may reason, motive or intention dapat. Pag walang basis ang paggawa ng mabuti, useless ang gumawa ng mabuti, right?

As a thought experiment, let's say that there's no heaven and hell, and God said that there is no afterlife, and man won't be rewarded or punished for his deeds. The question is would you still do good?

Doing good is good for ourselves. Man is altruistic because being so is beneficial for the survival of the species, as he has learned from hundreds of thousands of years of human evolution.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on December 18, 2011, 08:24:11 PM
^ the thing is, we can't detached all the things you mentioned, heaven and hell, etc. If you do that, you're not living in this world. Anong purpose of removing those things? Kaya nga tayo gumagawa ng mabuti sa ibang tao ay dahil for our benefit na din.

Pwede ka ba gumawa ng mabuti ng walang dahilan? Ano yun?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on December 18, 2011, 09:29:21 PM
^ I say consider it as a thought experiment. Not everyone believes in the literal heaven and hell, even among Christians.

QuotePwede ka ba gumawa ng mabuti ng walang dahilan? Ano yun?

Yes, because as I've said, a human being is an altruistic being. Man is capable of doing good for goodness's sake, without the need to be promised the eternal reward in heaven, or threatened the eternal damnation in hell. To suggest otherwise is an insult to the morality that man has learned over thousands of years of evolution.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on January 02, 2012, 07:26:54 AM
Quote from: don.bagsit on December 08, 2011, 04:42:46 PM
i'm baptized as a catholic, pero the most important thing for me is yung di ka makakasakit ng kapwa...di natin alam kung ano ang tamang religion...i just do the basic stuff...yung may compassion...di ko practice yung pinaka unang utos

babalik at babalik pa rin sa personal reationship natin sa God...not really a religion kaya nga ako not so much affected pag naimbitahan na umattend ng kasal sa isang different sect kasi mas importante sakin yung tao kesa sa religion nya na sinasabi... ang point ko lang ... if we have love in our hearts we have God... although andun pa rin yung uncompromising life pero if dying to the things i love to do means bringing you closer to God then by all means im doing it for the sake of the person who are created in the image of God
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: don.bagsit on January 02, 2012, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on January 02, 2012, 07:26:54 AM
Quote from: don.bagsit on December 08, 2011, 04:42:46 PM
i'm baptized as a catholic, pero the most important thing for me is yung di ka makakasakit ng kapwa...di natin alam kung ano ang tamang religion...i just do the basic stuff...yung may compassion...di ko practice yung pinaka unang utos

babalik at babalik pa rin sa personal reationship natin sa God...not really a religion kaya nga ako not so much affected pag naimbitahan na umattend ng kasal sa isang different sect kasi mas importante sakin yung tao kesa sa religion nya na sinasabi... ang point ko lang ... if we have love in our hearts we have God... although andun pa rin yung uncompromising life pero if dying to the things i love to do means bringing you closer to God then by all means im doing it for the sake of the person who are created in the image of God

Yung part na gumagawa ka ng mabuti kasi gusto mong mapalapit sa Diyos...yan yung part na naguguluhan ako...parang ang dating is gumagawa ka ng mabuti kasi ayaw mong maparusahan nya...

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Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: alrafa on January 21, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Muslim and I am proud to be.
I heard that Buddhism nothing say about religion, is it true?   
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Chris on January 22, 2012, 12:11:51 AM
Quote from: alrafa on January 21, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Muslim and I am proud to be.
I heard that Buddhism nothing say about religion, is it true?

welcome to the forums alrafa. are you from the Philippines?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: alrafa on January 22, 2012, 02:55:48 PM
Nope, from BD. Oh and my curiosity is that  I heard that nothing say about Buddhism Creator or God, is it true? sorry to say that Buddhism nothing say about realign. :-[
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on January 22, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
welcome alrafa... this is a forum so just feel free to express yourself... were all brothers here..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: enzoafterdark on January 26, 2012, 02:11:58 AM
Quote from: alrafa on January 21, 2012, 10:54:50 PM
Muslim and I am proud to be.
I heard that Buddhism nothing say about religion, is it true?   

welcome alrafa  :)

im learning islam since my gf is a muslim  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: alrafa on January 27, 2012, 10:32:56 PM
Thanks joshgroban.  :)
Quote from: joshgroban on January 22, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
welcome alrafa... this is a forum so just feel free to express yourself... were all brothers here..

Chris, Best wishes for both of you  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Chris on January 27, 2012, 10:43:21 PM
Quote from: alrafa on January 22, 2012, 02:55:48 PM
Nope, from BD. Oh and my curiosity is that  I heard that nothing say about Buddhism Creator or God, is it true? sorry to say that Buddhism nothing say about realign. :-[

I am not sure about Buddhism.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: carpediem on January 27, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
Buddhism is a nontheistic religion. In Buddhism the existence of God/gods is irrelevant. Therefore, we can say that Buddhists are agnostics. They don't really care the origin of life and the universe, or how these will all end (if ever). All they care about is one's being, in the present, on the path towards enlightenment.

I think Buddhism is probably the most tolerant of all the religions that I know. They don't have this exclusivist dogma inherent in other religions, for example in Christianity, "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" (outside the Church there is no salvation). In Buddhism, every person can become a Buddha or become enlightened ("Buddha-nature"). Thus, it is not rare to hear someone who is a Buddhist-atheist or Buddhist-Catholic or Buddhist-Christian etc.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: alrafa on January 28, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
Thanks Carpediem for your valuable information. So what I heard that was true. I think Buddhism is  different than most other religion.

Oh, but this is rare to hear that someone is a Buddhist-Muslim. Because we have to believe that no other path or even portion can't be better than Islam as this is a complete religion.
Quote from: carpediem on January 27, 2012, 11:41:52 PM
Buddhism is a nontheistic religion. In Buddhism the existence of God/gods is irrelevant. Therefore, we can say that Buddhists are agnostics. They don't really care the origin of life and the universe, or how these will all end (if ever). All they care about is one's being, in the present, on the path towards enlightenment.

I think Buddhism is probably the most tolerant of all the religions that I know. They don't have this exclusivist dogma inherent in other religions, for example in Christianity, "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus" (outside the Church there is no salvation). In Buddhism, every person can become a Buddha or become enlightened ("Buddha-nature"). Thus, it is not rare to hear someone who is a Buddhist-atheist or Buddhist-Catholic or Buddhist-Christian etc.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: alrafa on February 03, 2012, 05:42:05 PM
The base of Islam. "la ilaha illallah, Muhammadur Rasullulah (pbuh)" (There is no other god but Allah,
Muhammad (pbuh) is His final prophet.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on March 31, 2012, 04:09:04 PM
respect your opinion alrafa... but Jesus is still the Lord for me...sinners as we are... but save by His grace...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Isamu on March 31, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
christian po ako :))

di ako naniniwala sa mga sinasabang rebulto dahil sabi sa bible wag kang sasamba sa gawa ng tao.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Syndicate on April 14, 2012, 09:56:18 AM
Pag may pinaniniwalaan ka, naniniwala ka na hindi sa kabaong mag-eend ang story ng buhay mo.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Syndicate on April 14, 2012, 10:35:47 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on December 18, 2011, 12:35:19 AM
Quote from: carpediem on November 26, 2011, 08:16:20 PM
People are missing the point.

Simply put, one can be good without believing. Morality does not come from God.

Quote from: pinoybrusko on November 25, 2011, 06:46:23 PM
unlike an unbeliever, he does good only for himself and to others but no bearing with God.

Now isn't it better to be good for goodness's sake, and not because you don't want to burn in hell?


true, you can be good without believing. You have decided to stop believing, whatever that reason is, I won't ask. For sure, everyone of us started we believe on something because of the people around us and the community we live in.

In your second statement, I don't buy the idea doing good to others without a purpose because in everything we do may reason, motive or intention dapat. Pag walang basis ang paggawa ng mabuti, useless ang gumawa ng mabuti, right?

Absolutely.

I prefer not to believe in a god that irrationally punishes people for their imperfections, rules through fear and acts like a tyrant. Why? It's because no human is purely perfect and/or purely evil. I know that because I'm not purely perfect nor am I purely evil. And why am I saying this? It's because I'm selfish. It just so happened that I'm not unfair.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on April 15, 2012, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: Isamu on March 31, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
christian po ako :))

di ako naniniwala sa mga sinasabang rebulto dahil sabi sa bible wag kang sasamba sa gawa ng tao.


pinatatamaan mo ba ang mga Katoliko?  ;D
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Syndicate on April 17, 2012, 07:14:52 PM
Quote from: Isamu on March 31, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
christian po ako :))

di ako naniniwala sa mga sinasabang rebulto dahil sabi sa bible wag kang sasamba sa gawa ng tao.

Like sinasamba talaga namin yung rebulto? Please do respect. Faith is totally different from religion. And to tell you yung lugar na pinagsasamahan ng kung ano mang samahan meron kayo, eh kasangkapan din yun sa pagsamba.

P.S. I seriously don't know how to react. But thanks for the compliment. Well, just pretend you didn't see it. Imagine a yellow rubber duck. Battle of religions is like the never-ending war between PS3 and Xbox360.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: pinoybrusko on April 25, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
kahit saang relihiyon ka sumanib o pumasok, kung wala naman sa puso mo ang pagbabalik loob sa Diyos, wala ring saysay ang paglipat mo sa ibat ibang relihiyon.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: joshgroban on May 01, 2012, 12:36:37 AM
may mga punto kayo... doing what we preach is what matters...
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Isamu on March 31, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
christian po ako :))

di ako naniniwala sa mga sinasabang rebulto dahil sabi sa bible wag kang sasamba sa gawa ng tao.

I can't get the logic behind this. According to you, you're a "Christian," which means you believe in Christ and his doings. Then tell me, what about the Roman Catholics? The Orthodox Church? The Iglesia ni Cristo? Aren't they Christians? They call out to Christ, hence they do accept Christ and believe in him.

Fyi, Christianity is a religion, subdivided into different churches (Catholic, Protestants, etc.). So don't call yourself a Christian like a boss, because you're not the only one here.  :)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Sakin simple lang eh:

Walang mawawala sakin kung maniniwala akong may Diyos. Dahil kung dadating man siya, at least, masasabi ko sa kanyang naniwala ako sa kanya. Who knows what will happen? Who knows what's beyond there? Who knows if there really is an omniscient and omnipotent being?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Klutz on May 14, 2012, 10:39:49 PM
born catholic but... i don't know.. haha
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: noyskie on May 15, 2012, 09:12:44 PM
Re: Christianity

Being a "christian" is not about religion, it's about "faith"; and a christian is the one that follows(disciple of) Christ (Jesus).

Anyone can call upon the Name of Jesus but do they really have faith in Him?
Anyone can call himself a christian but do they really follow Him?

Mateo 15:8-9
8 Lumalapit sa akin ang mga taong ito
sa pamamagitan ng kanilang mga bibig at
iginagalang nila ako sa pamamagitan ng
kanilang mga labi. Ngunit ang kanilang mga
puso ay malayo sa akin. 9 Walang kabuluhan
ang pagsamba nila sa akin. Ang aral na
kanilang itinuturo ay mga kautusan ng mga tao.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: geo on May 16, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Sakin simple lang eh:

Walang mawawala sakin kung maniniwala akong may Diyos. Dahil kung dadating man siya, at least, masasabi ko sa kanyang naniwala ako sa kanya. Who knows what will happen? Who knows what's beyond there? Who knows if there really is an omniscient and omnipotent being?

agnostic?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jamapi on May 16, 2012, 09:28:04 AM
Quote from: geo on May 16, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
Quote from: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Sakin simple lang eh:

Walang mawawala sakin kung maniniwala akong may Diyos. Dahil kung dadating man siya, at least, masasabi ko sa kanyang naniwala ako sa kanya. Who knows what will happen? Who knows what's beyond there? Who knows if there really is an omniscient and omnipotent being?

agnostic?

nope. convinced akong may supreme being, i fear him, and i acknowledge him. those questions are just rhetorical questions for people who are seem half-assed about their faith. lol
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Syndicate on May 16, 2012, 02:49:25 PM
Quote from: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 09:00:24 PM
Sakin simple lang eh:

Walang mawawala sakin kung maniniwala akong may Diyos. Dahil kung dadating man siya, at least, masasabi ko sa kanyang naniwala ako sa kanya. Who knows what will happen? Who knows what's beyond there? Who knows if there really is an omniscient and omnipotent being?
Who wants to be with a god so vain that he would kick you out of heaven if you don't believe in him? dba hehe
I guess it's more like, pagdating ko sa gates of heaven at tanungin don baka sabihan ako ng, "akala ko ba hindi ka naniniwala, ano ginagawa mo dito? Dun ka sa baba!"
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Archer11 on May 18, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
Christian(Roman Catholic)

-the road to salvation is to accept the Lord with your heart in your life, and that to do concrete steps in practicing the Christian faith. Also to always obey the two greatest commendments:

1.)     Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy  whole mind, and with thy whole strength;
2.)     Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.

All the teachings, social teachings, moral law, natural law, everything roots down to love, for God is love. And Love presupposes justice.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: dheric012 on May 18, 2012, 10:57:15 PM
Catholic

Lahat naman ng religion ay naniniwala sa isang dyos iba nga lang ng way ng pagworship
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: dansantos44 on July 01, 2012, 07:38:32 PM
born again christian aq... ^_^
Quote from: dheric012 on May 18, 2012, 10:57:15 PM
Catholic

Lahat naman ng religion ay naniniwala sa isang dyos iba nga lang ng way ng pagworship
correction po... indi po lhat ng religion eh iisa ang diyos... like hinduism... un lng po..
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jelo kid on July 16, 2012, 09:43:24 PM
Quote from: dansantos44 on July 01, 2012, 07:38:32 PM
born again christian aq... ^_^
madami pala tayo dito
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Ryker on March 12, 2017, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: jamapi on May 14, 2012, 08:57:32 PM
Quote from: Isamu on March 31, 2012, 04:29:30 PM
christian po ako :))

di ako naniniwala sa mga sinasabang rebulto dahil sabi sa bible wag kang sasamba sa gawa ng tao.

I can't get the logic behind this. According to you, you're a "Christian," which means you believe in Christ and his doings. Then tell me, what about the Roman Catholics? The Orthodox Church? The Iglesia ni Cristo? Aren't they Christians? They call out to Christ, hence they do accept Christ and believe in him.

Fyi, Christianity is a religion, subdivided into different churches (Catholic, Protestants, etc.). So don't call yourself a Christian like a boss, because you're not the only one here.  :)

2017 na pala! Hi all PGGers!

In that sense, "Christian" refers to the believers of the Evangelical / Protestant Christianity.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Ryker on March 12, 2017, 02:52:40 AM
While still young...
(1) Youth Alive; (2) Kristiyanong Kabataan Para Sa Bayan; (3) PUP for Jesus Movement
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Jeric on August 04, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Hi po!

Ako po ay Seventh-Day Adventist (Christian)
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: buknoy on August 09, 2017, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: Jeric on August 04, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Hi po!

Ako po ay Seventh-Day Adventist (Christian)


Sda here
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Jeric on August 10, 2017, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: buknoy on August 09, 2017, 11:49:27 PM
Quote from: Jeric on August 04, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Hi po!

Ako po ay Seventh-Day Adventist (Christian)


Uy wow! Dalawa lang po tayo sir buknoy?

Sda here
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: outcastblueboy on August 10, 2017, 12:33:01 PM
I'm a Roman Catholic Christian
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: chris_davao on August 11, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: Jeric on August 04, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Hi po!

Ako po ay Seventh-Day Adventist (Christian)

magagalit tlaga si pastor kasi parang mapusok ka. hehe
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Jeric on August 13, 2017, 11:21:20 AM
Quote from: chris_davao on August 11, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: Jeric on August 04, 2017, 07:57:25 AM
Hi po!

Ako po ay Seventh-Day Adventist (Christian)

magagalit tlaga si pastor kasi parang mapusok ka. hehe

Ahahah, nag babagong buhay naman po
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: Daniel Viemento on August 18, 2017, 05:38:45 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on July 12, 2010, 08:04:10 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 12, 2010, 05:54:04 PM
@brusko

magulo kasi... pag tinignan mo naman yung mythology ng ibang religion, ganun din. para sa kin, same lang sila, it just so happens na pinanganak akong roman catholic... hindi ko naman kini-question yung faith ko :D


hmmm. I don't think so. hinde pare-pareho ang mga religion. It's true that most of us grasp kung ano kinalakihan nating relihiyon but we are given wisdom to understand the truth. Hinde pede yung parang robot lang tayo na susunod sunod kasi iyon ang kinalakihan natin. Paano pala pag mali yung kinalakihan natin?
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: outcastblueboy on August 18, 2017, 05:58:53 PM
Well. It's up to us to nourish our faith in the way we see is sound.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: jackxtwist on September 17, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
Used to have one but now I'm atheist.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: mrgagoman on October 29, 2018, 09:01:08 PM
I was born a Roman Catholic and then became an Atheist dahil naimpluwensyahan ako ng mga kapatid ko.

Then now, I became somewhat a Deist or an Agnostic Atheist due to further personal research and experiences. Im not totally convinced that there is no entity that created this intelligent existence.
Title: Re: What's your religious affiliation?
Post by: miggymontenegro on October 12, 2019, 06:16:40 PM
CCF