Hey mga kaPGG! What do you think of our country given the election results? Are we all ready to embrace positive change? Would be great to hear to some thoughts from you!
I think so. Stock market is showing a positive growth already after the announcement of his victory on the presidential race
I think the whole nation can't wait for the actions to be done by the next admin.
yes.
Feel ko kung sino pa yung pinakamakatapang, sya pa yung may pinakamalambot na puso. PNoy ripped the fruits from GMA administration, ganun din ang gagawin ni Duterte. Sana may change talaga, because ppl will always clamor for change but wont change for themselves
Quote from: Syndicate on May 17, 2016, 10:44:02 PM
Sana may change talaga, because ppl will always clamor for change but wont change for themselves
I Couldn't agree more.
Lahat talaga gusto ng pag babago pero ayaw namang mag bago.
ready or not I think we should embrace this kind of change, for me this is the best way, to clean the core of the problem so everything will follow.
Kung tayo ang magbabago, then it is a BIG YES!
Kahit sino pa maging Presidente kung di naman marunong sumunod sa batas kahit sa simpleng pagpila at pagtapon ng basura, walang mangyayari sa bansa! Cliche na yang " Change is coming!".
UP!
A year after, thoughts?
UPPPPPP!
Mga dilawan! Mga ka-DDS! Labas na kaaayooo!
Daming nangyayari recently. Nakakasama ng loob. You know what's really disconcerting is the fact that our fellow Filipinos who idolize the President so much, are actually okay with killings for as long as there are changes in the system. Yes there are positive changes pero that does not make it okay to kill. Ganun kasimple. Salamat sa mga bagong pinapatupad na batas pero FU for violating our human rights.
Sa opinion ko lang naman ito ano...
It's really hard to believe that the ones that are being killed under Pres. Duterte's administration are truly innocent.
If there was,don't you think his administration did it? Or yung kumakalaban sa presidente?
Yes, it is not ok to kill. Pero kung ang mamamatay ay kriminal, i don't mind. Especially mga sangkot sa droga.
Kung meron mang mga inosente na napapatay, nakakalungkot.
Change is a beautiful thing but going through it is not.
I just hope na maging receptive na lang ang mga tao sa pinapatupad ng administration.
If you are not involve to any crimes at all, why worry?
Ngayon pa ba tayo maiinis na may napapatay ang mga pulis?
Sus, get real naman. Sa totoo lang, ang OA ng reaction ng media sa ganung news.
like KIAN's case? that's so BS.
Yun lang. K.
di naman inilihim ni duterte yun sinabi naman nya nung campaign period magiging marahas siya sa mga criminal, and besides lahat nung mga napatay aminado mga kamag anak nila na konektado sila sa drugs. Ngayon lang naman hina highlight ng media alam nyo na, pero ayaw ko talaga mawala si duterte kasi pag umupo uli mga LP matitigil lahat ng mga infrastructure project ni duterte ayaw kasi ng mga oligarchs na matuloy mga projects tulad yung sa clark dito sa amin ngayon dami tutol lalo yung mga may ari ng hotel sa manila
by the way last time na nagkaroon ng political at religious debates dami nag away away dito sa forums, buti inactive na sila
Quote from: den0saur on September 18, 2017, 10:45:39 AM
Daming nangyayari recently. Nakakasama ng loob. You know what's really disconcerting is the fact that our fellow Filipinos who idolize the President so much, are actually okay with killings for as long as there are changes in the system. Yes there are positive changes pero that does not make it okay to kill. Ganun kasimple. Salamat sa mga bagong pinapatupad na batas pero FU for violating our human rights.
Sobrang scarred na ang mga kababayan natin they are willing to have anything just to get things done. The end justifies the means.
Quote from: bokalto on September 18, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Yes, it is not ok to kill. Pero kung ang mamamatay ay kriminal, i don't mind. Especially mga sangkot sa droga.
Kung meron mang mga inosente na napapatay, nakakalungkot.
Change is a beautiful thing but going through it is not.
Nakakalungkot na ganito ang sentimyento ng mga tao. Wala naman tayo sa gyera bakit may pinapatay na Pilipino?
Nalulungkot tayo kasi malayo sa atin yung patayan. Pero paano kung malapit? October last year, a neighbor, who's obviously not a drug addict or a runner, was killed by armed men. Maling tao yung napatay nila. The shooting was a block away from us.
I strongly believe that
drugs is not the problem. May issue ang tao kaya sya nagdo-droga. Kahirapan? Depresyon? Bakit hindi iyon ang atakihin? We are treating the symptom not the disease itself. I have yet to hear in the new any policy by the administration regarding this.
Quote from: bokalto on September 18, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
I just hope na maging receptive na lang ang mga tao sa pinapatupad ng administration.
You can't be receptive when your own countrymen is getting killed without justice being served. Ang hustisya ay wala sa kamay ng mga pulis. The role of the police is to enforce the policy. Unless it is the admin's policy to shoot alleged drug users then why not? Kung mabagal ang pag-usad ng hustisya, bakit hindi iyon ang atakihin ng administrasyon.
Quote from: bokalto on September 18, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
If you are not involve to any crimes at all, why worry?
Turns out, may cases ng mistaken identity, just what happened above. And anyone who has a gun can put a bullet on some guy he has political disagreements with.
PS. Walang magawa.
Wala lang din magawa. I think ang hypocrite lang ngayon ng ibang Filipino na they all suddenly care about Human rights.
Why now? Dahil ba the admistration has declared war against drugs and there are criminals getting shot? Meh.
Kung meron mang napapatay na inosenteng tao, sa tingin nyo ba gusto yan mangyari ng pangulo?
Or sinasadya yan gawin ng mga against sa pangulo?
Naiisip ko buti na lang hindi ako masyado gullible sa mga news from the media.
"I strongly believe that drugs is not the problem. May issue ang tao kaya sya nagdo-droga. Kahirapan? Depresyon? Bakit hindi iyon ang atakihin? We are treating the symptom not the disease itself. I have yet to hear in the new any policy by the administration regarding this. "
-- Symptom? Hmmm. Yung fact na nag give-in ka sa droga, hindi yan fault ng society or status nya sa society. Choice yan ng tao. The fact the gumamit ka ng droga, yan na ang judgement mo sa buhay mo. I don't think na porket depressed ka, walang trabaho, mahirap ka ay sapat na rason yan to do drugs. Kaya hindi makatarungan na i-blame sa stado ng pilipinas ang paggamit ng droga ng isang tao. Tska I think alam na ng bawat PIlipino kahit noon pa na ang paggamit ng droga ay MASAMA. Kahit noon pa man, laganap na ang kaalaman about the effects of drugs. Kaya nga may M.A.D. noon dba? Ayan na ang ginawa dati ng mga nakalipas na administration, pero may nangyari ba? WALA dba? 70s, 80s, 90s.. matagal na sinusugpo ang droga sa pamamagitan ng information dissemination. Matagal na din ginagawan ng paraan ang pagkakaron ng maayos na buhay ang mga tao, pero ano problema? mga tao parin. hindi ang gobyerno.
So kung sino man ang sisisihin, hindi ang society na nakapaligid sa kanya, siya mismo.
^^ I'll get back to you on this one. Ang dami ko bigla naisip can't organize my thoughts waaaaaah
last post ko na yan regarding sa politics.
Ayoko na. haha. la din naman ako pake sa kanila. haha!
Ako din. Parang unatras ang itlog ko. Iba pala pag may pamilya na. Yup. Umabot yung pag iisip ko hanggang dun sa point na magiging extreme activist ako. Hahahaha. But yeah, to each his own. Ang point ko lang, regardless of who the president is, basta kung tingin ko may maling ginagawa, I will call him out. And killing people, be them innocent or not, is one of them things I consider wrong.
Of course kung may tamang ginawa, then good. Congrats to him.
I'm just tired of people justifying the killings, kasi kahit saang anggulo ko tingnan, mali. Ganun ako ka naive.
yoqo nah qiqil nqo
^haha qiqil nah!.. pero tama ka sir :)
^right. it's not because you like the person. his/her/its policies are just wrong, morally, constitutionally wrong. Heck, I never liked any president. But there are a lot of policies that just made sense. Gunning down poor drug users is just so low. If you can't stop Chinese drugs from getting in our beautiful country, then just kill all poor people para wala ng iyakan at hablahan at dramahan.
plus I have yet to hear/see a significant economic/fiscal policy from the current administration solving the country's deficit, low GDP per capita, among other issues. If there is any, their communications guy is doing a really crappy job for not steering conversation/media away from the bloody killings.
Bottom line: Drugs is not the problem. To quote Riley from Sense8, "It's not the drugs that make a drug addict, it's the need to escape reality."
Hindi ito about sa politics, kaya pwede ko i-post. hahaha!
"It's not the drugs that make a drug addict, it's the need to escape reality."
- Yep. Tama. Drugs is just one of the million options out there to escape reality. Bakit drugs ang pinili? Bakit Drugs? Dba hindi naman libre ang drugs? Ang mahal kaya ng Shabu..coccaine..heroin... So kung titignan natin, these people choose drugs. Kahit na alam nilang may ibang options to escape reality. These people choose their life to end in drugs. These people will not have my symphaty even they are gunned down. Ginusto nila yun eh. Alam naman nila na if they do drugs, something bad will happened but THEY STILL DO DRUGS.
Doing drugs is not like having a personal problem where they(drug-users) just want to be with themselves. No. Hindi ganun ang nangyayari. Ok lang sana kung yung mga nag-aadik eh nananahimik lang sa mga lungga nila eh. Pero ang hindi katanggap-tanggap eh yung mga karumaldumal nilang ginagawa sa mga inosenteng tao. Yun yon.
Hindi lang ako makapaniwala na some people have these "symphaty" sa mga drug-users. Like there is a broken Human Rights when police gun them down. ugh. But when people get killed, brutally murdered by these drug addicts, people just shrug and move on. Pero when addicts get killed, ayayay, nagmartsa pa sa EDSA. Kaines.
Sa panahon ngayon, hindi na ngayon applicable yung pabebe sa mga pinoy.
Kailangan ng firm at matapang na batas para sa pagbabago.
Matigas na ulo ng mga pilipino, yan ang totoo.
Yung simpleng pagpila nga, hindi masunod, ano pa kaya yung paggamit ng drugs.
go bokalto kaya mo yan, pag di mo na kaya sabihin mo lang sakin isususpend ko na mga accounts nila hahaha
bwahahaha! No, i'm cool. Everyone's got their point. Kanya-kanya naman tayo ng mga pananaw sa mga bagay. :) Peace out!
Quote from: Peps on September 25, 2017, 08:30:49 PM
go bokalto kaya mo yan, pag di mo na kaya sabihin mo lang sakin isususpend ko na mga accounts nila hahaha
juice ko pader pala 'tong nabangga ko. shatap na ako. :-X :-X :-X
alam mo yang mga addict na yan dapat talaga pinapatay na lang eh. they know drugs is bad yet they still chose to get addicted to it. in the end, the society gets ruined. so they should be killed.
okay na ba? huwag nyo po ako i-ban or suspend. pls pls pls
dito nga samin, nililinis ang mga batang sukarap. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: chris_davao on October 15, 2017, 08:27:17 AM
dito nga samin, nililinis ang mga batang sukarap. HAHAHAHAHAHA
sorry ano ang sukarap?
Quote from: bokalto on September 25, 2017, 09:27:34 AM
Hindi ito about sa politics, kaya pwede ko i-post. hahaha!
"It's not the drugs that make a drug addict, it's the need to escape reality."
- Yep. Tama. Drugs is just one of the million options out there to escape reality. Bakit drugs ang pinili? Bakit Drugs? Dba hindi naman libre ang drugs? Ang mahal kaya ng Shabu..coccaine..heroin... So kung titignan natin, these people choose drugs. Kahit na alam nilang may ibang options to escape reality. These people choose their life to end in drugs. These people will not have my symphaty even they are gunned down. Ginusto nila yun eh. Alam naman nila na if they do drugs, something bad will happened but THEY STILL DO DRUGS.
Doing drugs is not like having a personal problem where they(drug-users) just want to be with themselves. No. Hindi ganun ang nangyayari. Ok lang sana kung yung mga nag-aadik eh nananahimik lang sa mga lungga nila eh. Pero ang hindi katanggap-tanggap eh yung mga karumaldumal nilang ginagawa sa mga inosenteng tao. Yun yon.
Hindi lang ako makapaniwala na some people have these "symphaty" sa mga drug-users. Like there is a broken Human Rights when police gun them down. ugh. But when people get killed, brutally murdered by these drug addicts, people just shrug and move on. Pero when addicts get killed, ayayay, nagmartsa pa sa EDSA. Kaines.
Sa panahon ngayon, hindi na ngayon applicable yung pabebe sa mga pinoy.
Kailangan ng firm at matapang na batas para sa pagbabago.
Matigas na ulo ng mga pilipino, yan ang totoo.
Yung simpleng pagpila nga, hindi masunod, ano pa kaya yung paggamit ng drugs.
hindi talaga ako mapakali. sir. may I know, bakit po sobrang negative nyo regarding
illegal drugs?
bakit po sobrang negative nyo regarding illegal drugs?
hahahaha!
I can't believe that this question even exists.
Sorry pero natatawa lang talaga ako.
^
My philo prof once said that for you to argue effectively, you must understand why your opponent is coming up with a different conclusion given the same set of facts. Or least uncover the facts he has so you can understand why his logic [or illogic] is such. I was hoping to understand your position on this matter so I can give better and more directed arguments back. So I started to ask a question.
Unfortunately, this was met by a response that made me even more confused. Your response, as I interpreted it, is veiled in sarcasm and begs a lot of questions: Did I make a mistake in making assumptions and initiating a conversation with you? Am I having a conversation with the wrong person? Are you just deflecting or evading the question?
But you don't turn away your kid for asking you basic questions, do you? Especially those questions whose answers may seem so obvious that you no longer reflect why you even believe in such. Like, why do you like Ginebra so much? Do you answer back in apologetic laughter and say "I don't even know why that question exists?" Or how about why are you so positive about alleged/proven drug users being gunned down by the police and vigilantes? Do you answer back, also in apologetic laughter and say "I don't even know why that question exists?"
I was hoping to get inside your brain and even wished you somehow noticed I italicized the word illegal because I want to know your knowledge on the history of drugs, not just in the Philippines but also globally.
To quote Carl Sagan, "But every question is a cry to understand the world. There is no such thing as a dumb question."
But in any case.
The.
most.
disappointing.
response.
yet.
in.
this.
forum.
so just to circle back to the original question of the thread: Is the Philippines ready for positive change under Duterte's admin? When even his supporters don't want to engage in an intellectual conversation so that their positions can be understood and challenged, the answer is unequivocally no.
First of all, I'm not arguing with anyone here and I am NOT required to answer every questions here in the forum.
I'm just stating my opinion, and if you have a problem with my opinion then wala na siguro akong magagawa dun.
Hindi naman kita/kayo pinipilit na paniwalaan yung sinasabi ko.
"The.
most.
disappointing.
response.
yet.
in.
this.
forum."
Ok. :) Hooray sayo. Your parents must be really proud of your very intellectual response/statements.
And who the fork is Carl Sagan? 0_o
Kung sino man sya, he must be really proud of you. :)
C H I L L
8)
Quote from: jackxtwist on October 17, 2017, 11:56:36 AM
Quote from: chris_davao on October 15, 2017, 08:27:17 AM
dito nga samin, nililinis ang mga batang sukarap. HAHAHAHAHAHA
sorry ano ang sukarap?
mga batang hamog. mga rugby boys. 8) :P
Quote from: bokalto on October 30, 2017, 09:20:42 AM
First of all, I'm not arguing with anyone here and I am NOT required to answer every questions here in the forum.
I'm just stating my opinion, and if you have a problem with my opinion then wala na siguro akong magagawa dun.
Hindi naman kita/kayo pinipilit na paniwalaan yung sinasabi ko.
"The.
most.
disappointing.
response.
yet.
in.
this.
forum."
Ok. :) Hooray sayo. Your parents must be really proud of your very intellectual response/statements.
And who the fork is Carl Sagan? 0_o
Kung sino man sya, he must be really proud of you. :)
At dahil hindi na sya chill. Imma stop now.
But looking at the current state of the economy and society. Still a no.
Kung gusto natin ng mabilisang paglilinis sa Pilipinas, I think ang solusyon dyan ay Civil War.