Pabor kayo o hindi?
pabor ako.. kaso, gusto ko rin i-consider yung mga mahihirap na pamilya... marami nga hindi na nakakapagtapos ng high school at college.. pano kung madagdagan pa?
kung image ang paguusapan, hinde pabor ;D kasi it just reflect na mas matatalino ang pinoy compared to other countries na kailangan matapos pa ang 12 years. Pinoys need only 10 years to match them ;D astig di ba?
aside from that, kahit madagdagan ng 2 years walang magbabago kung ang estudyante ay walang interes mag-aral at talagang tamad :D nasa teachers pa din ang quality of education
^ ang point nila dun e kaya nang magkatrabaho kahit ng isang high school grad.
pero di din ako pabor. sa ngayon.
taasan na lang nila ang standards ng school like yung curriculum at iyong passing grade. Instead of 75 ang passing grade gawin na lang 80. Para yung di makakapasa repeat the same level na ;D
pabor ako, as long as aalisin nila lahat ng minor subjects sa college level
Quote from: judE_Law on August 14, 2010, 02:58:08 PM
pabor ako.. kaso, gusto ko rin i-consider yung mga mahihirap na pamilya... marami nga hindi na nakakapagtapos ng high school at college.. pano kung madagdagan pa?
tama ito... same reason... dami kaya tapos ngayon pero tunganga... may trabaho man di naman nila kurso... tsk tsk have mercy on this proposal
Quality education is needed. Tsaka na yung quantity.
hanap muna ng guro at silid-aralan.
Quote from: bukojob on August 14, 2010, 07:07:21 PM
pabor ako, as long as aalisin nila lahat ng minor subjects sa college level
first 2 years ng college puro general and minor subjects then pagtuntong ng 3rd year major subjects na. Alam ko kaya ganito para magkaroon ng time ang student na malaman talaga ang gusto niyang course so after 2nd year, he/she can shift to his/her desired course.
^ ganun ba talaga yun?? sabagay sa school ko kasi pag mahina siya dun sa minor subject na kailangan niya for major subject.. pinagshi-shift sila ng course.. yun ay kung lang naman nila..
ang alam ko ganun talaga. Yung first 2 years ng college ay parang review lang ng high school kasi hinde naman lahat ng students pare pareho ang pinasukang high school at hinde lahat pare pareho ang depth ng subjects. Minsan nga meron ibang school hinde inabot ang ibang topics or chapters ng isang subject at tinatanggap na lang kung hanggang san topic lang kayang i-turo ng teacher. Kaya yung mga nanggaling sa mga high schools na kilala for high standars panis na panis ang first 2 years ng college ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 15, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: bukojob on August 14, 2010, 07:07:21 PM
pabor ako, as long as aalisin nila lahat ng minor subjects sa college level
first 2 years ng college puro general and minor subjects then pagtuntong ng 3rd year major subjects na. Alam ko kaya ganito para magkaroon ng time ang student na malaman talaga ang gusto niyang course so after 2nd year, he/she can shift to his/her desired course.
kung ang purpose lang ng first 2 yrs ar para malaman ang gusto nya course tumigil na lang muna sya ng pag aaral hahaha
dapat talaga total change of curriculum ;D at i-review ng husto ng CHED :D
Favor ako since I noticed that you don't do Middle School in the Philippines.
Quote from: Reid on August 21, 2010, 08:22:29 PM
Favor ako since I noticed that you don't do Middle School in the Philippines.
middle school sa pinas ay yung 4 years in high school :D
It should be like Elementary>Middle>High>University. :-\
Quote from: Reid on August 21, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
It should be like Elementary>Middle>High>University. :-\
ilang yrs ang bawat isa niyan?
tayo meron na ngayon nursery, kinder at prep bago mag grade 1. Ako naman kinder lang tapos grade 1 na ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 22, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Reid on August 21, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
It should be like Elementary>Middle>High>University. :-\
ilang yrs ang bawat isa niyan?
tayo meron na ngayon nursery, kinder at prep bago mag grade 1. Ako naman kinder lang tapos grade 1 na ;D
ako nga grade na agad eh.. pero ipinagmamalaki ko. First honor ako nung grade one ako. hehe.
naks talino mo naman jude ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 22, 2010, 08:17:51 PM
Quote from: Reid on August 21, 2010, 08:29:54 PM
It should be like Elementary>Middle>High>University. :-\
ilang yrs ang bawat isa niyan?
tayo meron na ngayon nursery, kinder at prep bago mag grade 1. Ako naman kinder lang tapos grade 1 na ;D
Ewan ko iba pero dito is Elementary (5) + Middle (3) + High (5) + University (depends)
Ako nagPrep lang. Hahaha. Wala naman ata ginagawa noon, naglalaro lang. :D
^ parang may transition period pa between elem and HS.
Improving the quality of education lang ang kailangan.
Parang ganoon na nga. ;D
agree to the max
di ba dapat naisip na ng CHED ang pagoverhaul ng curriculum bawat course sa college? ::)
Quote from: fox69 on August 23, 2010, 10:00:23 AM
i think there is no need to add more years to the present basic education curriculum of this country...what is needed is a total overhaul of the curriculum itself..allot more time to science, mathematics and the languages since these are the core subjects needed for economic growth and introduce more practical subjects in high school which students can use even if they will not go to college ( basic electronics, car repair, computer troubleshooting, etc ) ...also, impose a strict guideline on the acceptance of would-be teachers in college..do not allow people whose intelligence and emotional quotients are below average to teach for how can they guide the youth if they themselves need guidance..finally, increase the salary of techers so that the best teachers need no go abroad ..;D
Magandang plano to! If possible dapat tagalog yung major medium of instruction. Kasi pag sariling wika ang gagamitin..the more chance na meet ang comprehension.
@fox - sadly, there are some dimwits in the senate, one of them would like to remove subjects like trigonometry, geometry, physics, etc. from the curriculum. guess who this senator is. clue: cheesy yung name niya
@jaguar - i do not agree with having Tagalog as the major medium of instruction
Quote from: carpediem on September 24, 2010, 01:57:45 AM
@fox - sadly, there are some dimwits in the senate, one of them would like to remove subjects like trigonometry, geometry, physics, etc. from the curriculum. guess who this senator is. clue: cheesy yung name niya
@jaguar - i do not agree with having Tagalog as the major medium of instruction
Peru di naman aalisin ang english subject. Kaso madugong transition ang mangyayari ... Naalala ko lang ang japan at major parts ng europa..they are using their own vernacular in terms of communication/instruction kaya mabilis ang pag unlad nila, big advantage din to.
^ naku hindi talaga pwede tanggalin ang english. globalization.
at marami ata nakatakas lang sa english class. pagdating sa workplace, wrong grammar at spelling pa rin.
I still think English should be the medium of instruction. The native tongue can be used during the first few years, but the curriculum should gradually transition to English.
You cannot teach or learn efficiently using Tagalog on subjects like Science and Math.
^ yes, anhirap kaya i-converse.. lalo na yung mga technical terms.
yes to bilingual or no?
Quote from: angelo on September 25, 2010, 11:13:14 AM
^ naku hindi talaga pwede tanggalin ang english. globalization.
at marami ata nakatakas lang sa english class. pagdating sa workplace, wrong grammar at spelling pa rin.
hahaha... di ka naman galit nyan angelo hehe
Quote from: carpediem on September 25, 2010, 11:32:37 AM
I still think English should be the medium of instruction. The native tongue can be used during the first few years, but the curriculum should gradually transition to English.
You cannot teach or learn efficiently using Tagalog on subjects like Science and Math.
Hindi siguro, maliban na lang kung subukan ng gobyerno and evaluate after if its not effective.
Why Filipinos Should Junk Tagalog in Favour of English
By BENIGN0
September 11, 2010
I don't understand what is so complicated about this whole English-versus-Tagalog "debate". For me, it is a simple return-on-investment calculation. Compare every peso of public funds spent on Tagalog-articulated instruction and every peso of public funds spent on English-articulated instruction. Which of those two pesos spent contributes more to opening more doors of opportunity for the average Filipino? As I wrote way back in my book:
Acquisition of knowledge – the fuel for intellectual advancement – is an unnecessarily challenging issue in Philippine Society. The few volumes of material containing useful information in, say Tagalog, being turned out by the heroics of a few purists – and translators – constitute a trickle compared to the torrent of knowledge that is churned out by the advanced world everyday. The Philippine Elite, armed with their private school or foreign university educations – and superior command of English – readily soak this all up. The masses, on the other hand, struggle to grasp the same ideas through severely limited communication faculties. The insult of an inability to acquire ideas articulated in English is added to the injury of their lack of access to quality education.
The point I make is quite clearly spelt out in the last sentence of the above passage (in italic). Choosing between English and Tagalog is like choosing between equipping one's self with a bucket or with a spoon when faced with the job of gathering water from a well.
But even taking into account the Filipino's renowned inability to get it even when world-class knowledge is shoved in his face, the imperative for us to re-evaluate our language policy is a matter of social justice.
The disparity between those who enjoy command of the language that affords its speakers the most power over his destiny and all the rest who are subject to the public system is stark. There are very few high-paying jobs that put a premium on fluent Tagalog speakers. Plum roles go to those who speak English with confidence. And considering that the only hope for economic growth in this sad land lies in our continued panhandling for foreign investment, there is little point in investing scarce public funds and precious classroom time in the public education system on an indigenous language such as Tagalog.
By continuing this foolish insistence that a "national" language based on an intellectually barren dialect such as Tagalog be given classroom time in our public school system, we are in effect choking the ability of entire generations of Filipino youth to partake in the vast wealth of knowledge the rest of advanced humanity has to offer. At no time in history has this knowledge been so readily available.
This is an immense tragedy of epic proportions. In the Philippines those who are in most need of the bounty of opportunities the English language has to offer are the most deprived of it, while those who need it the least – families who are able to afford private education – have it at their fingertips.
The obvious reality is that for proficient English speakers, the world is their oyster.
For the poor whose minds are imprisoned by the intellectual bankruptcy of the Tagalog "national" language that is, de facto equal in stature to the English language, their hope lies in a re-think of the obsolete notion of a "national" language that takes up classroom time in our school system and sucks up already meagre education budgets for very little return.
Let us re-think what is nothing more than emotional diarrhoea that has been left unflushed for so long. The "national" language initiative is a failure and resulted in an outcome opposite of what past emo-politicians envisioned. Rather than unifying the country it polarised it even further – dividing us into the English-proficient most-likely-to-succeed elites, and the Tagalog-educated doomed-to-chronic-impoverishment under-classes.
http://www.theasiamag.com/perspectives/why-filipinos-should-junk-tagalog-in-favour-of-english (http://www.theasiamag.com/perspectives/why-filipinos-should-junk-tagalog-in-favour-of-english)
@ josh - nah. sana lang matuto ng tamang english. kaya naman. kaso ayaw lang talaga ayusin. apektado pati spelling. pagdating sa pormal na mga usapan, sinong napapahiya? buti pa si pacquiao trying to learn.
--> aminin man o hindi, doon talaga pupunta yun sa english, kasi yun ang universal medium of communication. sayang kasi marurunong ang mga Pinoy. sabi ko nga, globalization. kailangan natin sa pag-unlad.
Suntok sa buwan... Tagalog ang magiging pangunahing wika. :D
Quote from: angelo on September 27, 2010, 12:12:46 AM
@ josh - nah. sana lang matuto ng tamang english. kaya naman. kaso ayaw lang talaga ayusin. apektado pati spelling. pagdating sa pormal na mga usapan, sinong napapahiya? buti pa si pacquiao trying to learn.
--> aminin man o hindi, doon talaga pupunta yun sa english, kasi yun ang universal medium of communication. sayang kasi marurunong ang mga Pinoy. sabi ko nga, globalization. kailangan natin sa pag-unlad.
kahit nga dito sa mideast ingles ang usapan sa mga arabo kasi hinde kami marunong mag-arabic hehehe.
basta sana matutuhan ang correct English, both in writing and in speaking. sobrang advantage talaga ng Pilipino yun over a lot of nationalities, especially emerging / developing country pa lang ang Pinas.
on the side:
alam mong medyo importante na ang bansa mo kapag nakita mo na may tagalog translation na sa user manual ng mga globally available products.
Quote from: angelo on October 01, 2010, 10:42:12 PM
basta sana matutuhan ang correct English, both in writing and in speaking. sobrang advantage talaga ng Pilipino yun over a lot of nationalities, especially emerging / developing country pa lang ang Pinas.
on the side:
alam mong medyo importante na ang bansa mo kapag nakita mo na may tagalog translation na sa user manual ng mga globally available products.
naku malayo pa iyan. sa windows 7 lang walang tagalog sa language. Sa facebook meron and other social networks kasi alam nila ang mga pinoys internet lovers and chatters ;D
On World Teachers Day, DepEd bares K+12 by 2012
On World Teachers' Day, October 5, Education Secretary Bro. Armin Luistro presented the 12-year "Enhanced Kindergarten-Grade 12 (K+12)" basic education program that the government hopes to implement by school year 2012 to 2013.
To implement the program, the Department of Education (DepEd) has to work with Congress to amend the existing law, Batas Pambansa 232 or the "Education Act of 1982," which states that the basic formal education is a 10-year program.
To amend the law and peg the basic education program at 12 years, DepEd has to conduct consultations until the first quarter of next year.
"After consultation, the law can be passed by 2013, before the next elections," Luistro said, adding that political will is needed to make this program possible.
"The crucial part is how to insulate this from partisan politics that the education system has been subjected to," he said."What is essential is that the plan is accepted widely and that we are able to implement it soon."
"DepEd is taking bold steps to enhance the basic education curriculum. The K+12 model will provide quality 12-year education that every Filipino is entitled to," Luistro said.
The K+12 model specifies one year of kindergarten and 12 years of basic education.
The new program adds two years to the current education model in the Philippines, the only Asian country still implementing a 10-year basic education program.
DepEd's proposed education model
Luistro said the DepEd is introducing the 12-year education model based on the marching orders of President Benigno Simeon Aquino III.
Aquino earlier said the 12-year program will help public school students gain an even chance at succeeding along with their counterparts in private schools.
DepEd's proposed model is the K-6-4-2 Model, which involves: one year of kindergarten; six years of elementary school (Grades 1-6); four years of junior high school (Grades 7-10), and two years of senior high school (Grades 11-12).
Luistro said the K+12 program will be implemented in phases. It will start next year with the offering of a universal kindergarten program.
Currently, 86 percent of five-year-old children attend kindergarten school. Under the K+12 program, DepEd aims that 98 percent of five-year-old children will be in kindergarten by June 2011.
The new K+12 curriculum will be offered to incoming Grade 1 as well as First Year Junior High School students by June 2012.
The DepEd intends to implement Senior High School education by school year 2016-2017.
High school graduates will become 'employable'
The K+12 program specifies six years of high school education composed of: four years of junior high school, and two years of senior high school.
Students will receive a diploma after finishing junior high school. They will be given another diploma upon finishing senior high school.
The two years of senior high school aim to provide students with skills and competencies that will help them become employable upon graduation.
The curriculum will provide "specializations" based on the career that a student wishes to pursue.
"We will make high school graduate employable, so that a tertiary education is not a necessity to get a job," he said.
"We will consult with the business sector to make sure the curriculum is acceptable to the business community," he added.
Additional HS years will not replace college educ
Luistro clarified that the two years of senior high school will not replace tertiary education.
He explained that the K+12 program will actually allow more students to enroll in tertiary education.
"If senior high school [graduates] can be employable, there should be more self-supporting, working students," he said.
He added that senior high school graduates do not have to enroll in college immediately after graduation but may choose to work for a few years to save enough money for a college education.
The Education Secretary said the department will work closely with the Commission on Higher Education (CHED) and Technical Education and Skills Development Authority (TESDA) to align the new basic education program with the existing programs of CHED and TESDA.
K+12 system will enhance quality of education
The DepEd has received flak from various groups for its alleged 'wrong priorities,' saying that the additional two years will not address the main problem: the deteriorating quality of education in the country.
Different groups have also said the lack of budget will affect the implementation of the proposed program.
However, Luistro countered that the additional school years under the K+12 system will address the problem about the deteriorating quality education in the country.
He cited the problem about a congested curriculum, which crams 12 years worth of basic education into 10 years. According to him, the new program will spread out the subjects that students are taking. It will allow them to take electives that will develop their skills in music and the arts, literature, and entrepreneurship.
He also said that in the current basic education program, high school graduates do not possess the basic competencies and emotional maturity that one needs in the workforce.
Currently, graduates of high school at 15 or 16 are not mature enough to handle higher education disciplines, he said.
Luistro also said that the program will have positive effects on the country's economy.
He cited studies showing that improvements in the quality of education increases a country's gross domestic product (GDP) by as much as 2 percent.
The education secretary also expressed confidence that the department has enough time and resources to implement the K+12 program.
"If we look at what is needed by the education sector today, it really goes without saying that we have to move, and move very fast," he said.
P60-B fund needed
To implement the additional two years of the senior high school program starting by the school year 2016 to 2017, DepEd needs an estimated amount of about P60B for infrastructure, teachers, and textbooks in public schools.
Luistro said the department has enough time to look for funds for the program because its implementation is still six years away.
Luistro said what matters is the Aquino administration sees the value in improving the basic education program of the country.
"It's not a matter of lack of budget," he said. "It's a matter of prioritizing education in the national budget." -- VVP, GMANews.TV
http://ph.news.yahoo.com/gma/20101005/tph-on-world-teachers-day-deped-bares-k-d6cd5cf.html
(copy/paste ko lang.. hehe) ;D
^ ow man.. have mercy.
another 2 years of waiting for students before going to college. Nagdagdag pa sila ng 2 years e kulang pa nga ang classrooms at teachers. ayos di ba? hehehe
kung mag propose sila it's as if mega high ng quality ng public education sa bansa.
I totally am against it.Do you think students can learn for years without good facilities to be used?
yes,in some cases public schools has enough teaching materials but how about those that are in remote areas?
How about the students who make their walk very long way to school,does the government want to add 2 years on their agony?
Sa panahon na ito, pinapairal na ang k+12. PERO DAPAT MAY PAGBABAGO TALAGA.
Dapat ginawa na ng DepEd: Elementary/Primary (Grades 1-5), Middle School (Grades 6-8), at High School (Grades 9-12). Parang Estados Unidos lang ang peg.
Kung ako ang tatanungin, "Filipino" pa rin ang pangunahing wika ng pagtuturo mula elementarya hanggang kolehiyo. Maging sa trabaho, at mga legal na papeles, "Filipino" ang panguhin. Pwedeng bilingual (o dayuhan para sa mga salitang teknikal) basta pangunahin ang wikang Filipino.
Tingnan ninyo ang MAUNLAD na bansang Hapon, Japanese o Nippongo ang pangunahing kahingian na wika sa paaralan, trabaho, pamahalan, at maging sa pang-araw-araw na pamumuhay.
Marami pa ring maunlad na bansa na ang ginagamit ay ang sariling wika sa gitna ng globalisasyon.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on October 27, 2010, 11:56:42 AM
another 2 years of waiting for students before going to college. Nagdagdag pa sila ng 2 years e kulang pa nga ang classrooms at teachers. ayos di ba? hehehe
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on October 27, 2010, 12:48:52 PM
kung mag propose sila it's as if mega high ng quality ng public education sa bansa.
looking back, at least yung SHS may
potential di ba? how can you not like that?
but seriously, this is just bad bad diagnosis and prescription to the problem. And what's the industry gonna do about the 2 additional years? I am very eager to see the employment rates of SHS grads.