O HINDI DAHIL MAGULANG NINYO ANG NAMILI PARA SA INYO?
Quote from: Isamu on April 11, 2012, 02:18:02 PM
O HINDI DAHIL MAGULANG NINYO ANG NAMILI PARA SA INYO?
ako satisfied naman. :)
i had enough of religion, it's all about accepting the Son of God, Jesus Christ. Nothing Else
yap ..
I'm really satisfied with my religion, hindi katulad ng iba na mahilig mang intimidate ng ibang religion. I'm a Roman Catholic by the way :)
If you can't trust your God to be as moral as you are, you cant keep its promises and make heaven a nice place or even let you stay.
Kasi may ibang mga tao nag iiba ng religion dahil lang sa mga mahal nila diba parang lumalabas namn na ang panget dahil mag iiba kalng ng relihiyon dahil lang sa isang tao na minsan mo lang nakilala pero sya ang magging asawa mo
Quote from: Isamu on April 14, 2012, 05:04:40 PM
Kasi may ibang mga tao nag iiba ng religion dahil lang sa mga mahal nila diba parang lumalabas namn na ang panget dahil mag iiba kalng ng relihiyon dahil lang sa isang tao na minsan mo lang nakilala pero sya ang magging asawa mo
its true, some people change sides because of LOVE. You need to accept kung ano mas matimbang sa iyo- asawa ba or relihiyon?
what if kung dumating sa sitwasyon na yung religion ng mahal mo eh ayaw ng mo at ng buong angkan mo na magpalit ka ng relihiyon anu ang sasabhin mo sa babae
Quote from: Isamu on April 16, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
what if kung dumating sa sitwasyon na yung religion ng mahal mo eh ayaw ng mo at ng buong angkan mo na magpalit ka ng relihiyon anu ang sasabhin mo sa babae
yun nga, you have to gauge kung ano mas matimbang sa iyo. If love, then go, for sure mauunawaan ka din ng angkan mo balang araw pag mas importante sa iyo ang sasabihin at pangalan ng angkan mo, mag-asawa ka ng kapamilya hahaha
ahahaha kung pd lang eh xD sa bagay dapat matuto ka din ng sarili mong desisyon kasi di namn habng buhay nandyan ang mga pamilya mo na aagapay sau
SATIESFIED BA KAU SA RELIGION NINYO?
satisfied ako sa Faith ko....( I did not use Religion)
religion is something you do for others ....yap di naman talaga dapat iro organization...it comes from the heart
Satisfaction should not be based as to how you see your congregation externally, kasi napakasuperficial nun.. satisfaction dapat is based on how the congregation (the Church) acts as a community, hnd lang basta pag sinabing simbahan eh mga pari, madre, etc lang..kasama pati mga lay people. Kasi we are a community even from the start db? read Acts of the Apostles.
so based on that, I can say, di ako maxadong satisfied being a Roman Catholic. Partly my fault kasi I am not able to join parochial activities, PREX, YFCs, and others. Hanggang choir lang ako nung HS.hehe. And kasi, marami nang members ang hnd ganun kafaithful. And since the start of the Second Vatican Council, mejo nawala ung feeling of "solemnity" ng Mass. Pero nasa congregation pa din talaga, if mafefeel mo ung satisfaction and through God's grace.
13 yrs service na q sa church
Satiesfied ako dahil i find singing as a service to god
Binabalik q lang binigay skin ni god
Masasabi mung satisfied ka kapag gusto mu mga kasama at nageenjoy ka pero natanung mu ba sa sarili mu kung totoo ba ang FAITH NA MERON KAH?
When talking about faith, it should not be like if you're satisfied with it or not. Kasi what we're talking about is faith diba po? And faith is a gift, "man freely commits his entire self to God" (CCC 1814). Pero if you're talking about the doctrines, I'm very satisfied with what the Church is teaching, through Her dogmas, Social teachings, moral and natural law, since greatly explained sila sa mga writings ng mga early Church Fathers and Popes and talagang naisasabuhay sila sa simbahan. Not only that I'm satisfied but most importantly is that I believe in them, that I have faith in such.
When talking about the authenticity of the faith, I think it needs a new thread pero since anjan na, i'll also answer it. I have always accepted what the Church has revealed as true and acceptable, you take it by faith ika nga nila. Though may times na somewhat you question it, pero if you ask a priest, majujustify naman ung teachings in doubt. Reading of articles related to your religion helps enrich your faith and informs you too. Pero we must not dicuss and expound here kasi it may spark debate na we want to avoid. The most important thing is that you practice what you believe and preach.
yap you have a point archer...ang satisfaction comes when you see that somehow you touch the lives of others
why are some Catholics tend to have pride that they assert that it is only Roman Catholicism is the true religion? i'm a Catholic but i know that there are teachings in the Catholic that are contrary in the Bible so i cannot say that Roman Catholic are all true.
advice ko sayo, read your bible. Do what it says. James 1:12
Quote from: arkin on May 30, 2012, 05:45:10 PM
advice ko sayo, read your bible. Do what it says. James 1:12
yeah i will :)
sometimes, there are priests who aren't practicing what they preach... that's what i don't like bout roman catholicism >.<
Quote from: Klutz on May 31, 2012, 10:11:33 AM
sometimes, there are priests who aren't practicing what they preach... that's what i don't like bout roman catholicism >.<
same here.
tapos meron din silang ibang tinuturo na contrary sa tinututuro ng bible
feeling ko parang patibong papuntang hell yung Catholicism (sorry to say) kasi maraming hindi alam ang 10 commandments, ang Bible, beatitudes, hindi kilala masyado si Lord...anyway si God lang nag magjujudge satin kung hell o heaven tayo mapupunta...
welcome dito sa PGG niceguy!
anung religion mo?
Roman Catholic...pero nabago na paniniwala ko sa ibang tinuturo nila
ahh..
bute alam mo na yung tama..xD
nakakalungkot nga lang mappride mga ibang Catholic lalo na mga priests o brothers...let's say for example sa isang seminar...iginigiit nila na sila lang tama wag daw paniwalaan protestant o ibang religion...mahirap na talagang baguhin paniniwala ng ibang tao :((
kainis nga ung mga ganun..
sa second coming ni Lord nalang magkakaalaman.xD
grabe nga e sa internet...nakita ko ito..pinaniniwalaan ko ito
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1623.cfm kung gusto niyong basahin mahaba nga lang haha
oi.. nabasa ko dyan ung tungkol sa satanic symbol..pag nag-search ka sa net mkkita mo na karamihan ng mga symbols eh nasa mga religious relics ng cath0lic church.
talaga nga naman...bata pa lang ako...di ko na talaga maintindihan mga pinaggagawa ng mga Catholic...ngayon alam ko na kung bakit may ibang religion na ayaw sa katoliko
parang sila yung mga tumutuligsa kay JESUS CHRIST sa new testament times..haha
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makakatulong yan ng malaki.
tapos nakita ko nanaman sa internet na si Pope Benedict XVI ay isang antiChrist...di na ako magtataka na antiChrist siya kasi pinapayagan niya na ipagamit ang mga condom sa mga male prostitute para daw di na magkahawa-hawa ng aids...hindi naman yun ang solusyon e..ni hindi nga niya nababanggit ang 10 commandments pag nagdedefend siya kung bakit...lalo na yung you shall not commit adultery..anyway lahat ng tao nagkakamali pero dapat alam niya mismo ang mga ayaw ni Lord kasi Pope siya...share ko lang heheh
nagre-research ka ah!haha mabuti yan.. pero ingat lang kasi hindi lahat ng nasa internet ay totoo.
oo nga...pero kasi yung mga articles talagang niresearch hindi gawa gawa lang...makikita talaga yung mali at tama...anyway im not being God who could know every wrong and true...kahit ako di ko masasabi na tama ako lagi hehe
kaya nga hindi na ako masyado nagsisimba.. haha d na ako naniniwala sa mga priests
hindi natin alam if the priests are decieved too..kaya ganun ang tinuturo nila
makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 01, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
tama!!
babalik at babalik sa love ang lahat kahit ano pa differences...
another recent proof or evidence that our Pope could be an anti-Christ...just updating my earlier post about the pope...tsk tsk at may corruption scandal pa..yung Vatileaks scandal :(
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/vatileaks-scandal-exposes-pope-s-frail-leadership-a-836825.html
basahin niyo kung gusto hehe..it's not a joke but a serious matter
at hindi magpapahuli ang youtube...kung gusto niyo lang panuorin..bigla ko lang kasi nakita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXK4y0dbwys
It is about Vatileaks Scandal in Bible prophecy...
ahahaha sorry to say guys totoo bang nagsisimba talga kau
kasi may kapit bahay kaming galing sa simbahan ng quiapo abay pagtapos mura na ng mura ng potang ina AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ganun ba kau guys
AKO honestly di namn ako nagsisimba baka isipin ninyong anti christ ako hindi po tsaka ako magsisimba kung kelan talagang tanggap ko na ang diyos sa puso ko at kaluluwa ko kasi most of the time wala parin akong alam tungkol sa diyos di ko pa sya gaanung naiintindhan
Quote from: Isamu on June 20, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
ahahaha sorry to say guys totoo bang nagsisimba talga kau
kasi may kapit bahay kaming galing sa simbahan ng quiapo abay pagtapos mura na ng mura ng potang ina AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ganun ba kau guys
AKO honestly di namn ako nagsisimba baka isipin ninyong anti christ ako hindi po tsaka ako magsisimba kung kelan talagang tanggap ko na ang diyos sa puso ko at kaluluwa ko kasi most of the time wala parin akong alam tungkol sa diyos di ko pa sya gaanung naiintindhan
ganyan din ang observation ko sa ibang mga catholics..
Pero sorry ulit huys a have a question diba meron taung 10command ments
pasintabi po sa mga katoliko
have a question
nabasa nyo na po ba sa bibble ang meaning ng "SIGN OF THE CROSS"
ATSAKA YUNG MAY VERSE NA INIIWASAN NYUNG MGA PARI SA KATOLIKO PERO DI KO NA ALAM KUNG ANO YUN NASA 10 COMMAND MENTS DIN YUN
ITO YUN OH ISA SA MGA 10UTOS NA WAG SASAMBA SA MGA REBULTO NA GAWA NG TAO ANG ALAM KO KASI NASA BIBBLE YAN AT NASA 10COMMAND MENTS BAKIT MADAMI PARING SUMASAMBA SA REBULTO NA TAUNG MGA TAO NAMN MISMO ANG GUMAWA ATSAKA BAKIT DI BINABASA NG MGA PARI YAN SA BIBBLE DI SILA PATAS SA MGA TAO PAANO NA YAN MGA WALA PANG NALALAMAN TUNGKOL SA DIYOS DBA? DI MAMUMULAT NALANG SILA ISANG ARAW NA SA BANDANG HULI NALNG NILA MALALAMAN NA MALI ANG GINAGAWA NILA DIBA?
ISA PA PANO NAGING SANTO SI POPE JOHNPAUL THE ll FOR WHAT PURPOSE OU NAGPAPAGALING SYA NAGING MAKA DIYOS PA PERO DI PARIN SYA DAPAT TAWAGIN SANTO DAHIL DI NYA NAMN GINAWA TULAD NG DIYOS NA BINAYARAN NYA ANG KASALANAN NATIN LAHAT PARA MALIGTAS TAU EH SI JOHN PAUL THE ll DI NYA YUN NAGAWA DIBA
SORI SA MGA KATOLIKO NAGUGULUHAN LANG
Sign of the Cross is indeed in the Bible. If you will read it. :) Sasabihin na bakit may Holy Trinity or three persons in one God. It is in the Bible about God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. That's where the sign of the cross came from. Besides Jesus died on the cross which is one if not the most significant event in one's life.
With regards sa mga statues of Saints and Mary "veneration" is the word not worship.
with regards sa Pope john Paul II, you don't need to die for the sake of humanity to be called a saint.
Is Jesus Christ a saint? Besides Pope John Paul II is not a saint. He is only blessed.
for what bibble old or new testament?
ok then prove me geo im wrong ok can u please post your prove
the moment na sinasabi ng Pope na nacanonized na ang saints at pwede ng dasalan...ibig sabihin nito ay nasa heaven na sila...in short sila mismo ang nagjujudge na nasa heaven nga sila...pano madadasalan ang isang Santo kung nasa hell? so may assurance ang Pope na nasa heaven na nga sila....ang tanong, sila ba ay ang Diyos? na nagsasabi na ang kaluluwa ng tao ay nasa heaven na?? e di ba ang Diyos lang naman ang nakakaalam? so bakit tayo magpapaloko na pwede ngang dasalan ang mga Santo...nakakasiguro ba tayo na nasa heaven sila kahit pa na mabait sila? sa biography pwedeng may hindi malagay...for every Saints there is an image to be worship thus; a contrary to the 2nd commandment since the Pope says that they are really in heaven...what a deceit to a Catholic like me
kuya geo, pls correct me if im wrong hehe
at isa pa, sa veneration, kung hindi ako nagkakamali...napupunta sa pagworship ng saint na yun tama ba?especially sa mga katoliko.... ang gulo lang e hahahah
Quote from: Isamu on June 20, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
ahahaha sorry to say guys totoo bang nagsisimba talga kau
kasi may kapit bahay kaming galing sa simbahan ng quiapo abay pagtapos mura na ng mura ng potang ina AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ganun ba kau guys
AKO honestly di namn ako nagsisimba baka isipin ninyong anti christ ako hindi po tsaka ako magsisimba kung kelan talagang tanggap ko na ang diyos sa puso ko at kaluluwa ko kasi most of the time wala parin akong alam tungkol sa diyos di ko pa sya gaanung naiintindhan
naku kailangan mong magbasa ng Bibliya :D
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 22, 2012, 12:21:28 AM
kuya geo, pls correct me if im wrong hehe
at isa pa, sa veneration, kung hindi ako nagkakamali...napupunta sa pagworship ng saint na yun tama ba?especially sa mga katoliko.... ang gulo lang e hahahah
Veneration is different from worship. You don't worship saints. You just venerate them. More like honoring them for their good deeds and significant works.
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 22, 2012, 12:17:59 AM
the moment na sinasabi ng Pope na nacanonized na ang saints at pwede ng dasalan...ibig sabihin nito ay nasa heaven na sila...in short sila mismo ang nagjujudge na nasa heaven nga sila...pano madadasalan ang isang Santo kung nasa hell? so may assurance ang Pope na nasa heaven na nga sila....ang tanong, sila ba ay ang Diyos? na nagsasabi na ang kaluluwa ng tao ay nasa heaven na?? e di ba ang Diyos lang naman ang nakakaalam? so bakit tayo magpapaloko na pwede ngang dasalan ang mga Santo...nakakasiguro ba tayo na nasa heaven sila kahit pa na mabait sila? sa biography pwedeng may hindi malagay...for every Saints there is an image to be worship thus; a contrary to the 2nd commandment since the Pope says that they are really in heaven...what a deceit to a Catholic like me
Because of their works and good deeds and following the path that Christ made, one presumes that saints are now in heaven. Although you are right that no one knows exactly. That is just a presumption but isn't stupid enough to think that they will be sent to hell after what they did? But as I've said, no one really knows.
If you don't believe in them, so don't pray to them as simple as that. Again, we don't worship saints and even Mary. We pray to them to pray for us.
niceguy111 and Isamu,
may tanong ako.. naniniwala ba kayo na galing kayo mismo sa mother nyo? ano ang proof na dun talaga kayo galing o sa kanila talaga kayo galing? or its just because yun ang nakasulat sa paper/birth certificate.
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on June 22, 2012, 11:36:46 AM
niceguy111 and Isamu,
may tanong ako.. naniniwala ba kayo na galing kayo mismo sa mother nyo? ano ang proof na dun talaga kayo galing o sa kanila talaga kayo galing? or its just because yun ang nakasulat sa paper/birth certificate.
excellent point. One does not have to shove every bit evidence for us to believe one thing. For instance bakit kapag sinabi ng libro na the earth is round naniniwala tayo? Dahil may picture? What if that picture is just fabricated just like the rest of the pictures of UFO sightings and Lochness monster?
Quote from: geo on June 22, 2012, 08:23:50 AM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 22, 2012, 12:17:59 AM
the moment na sinasabi ng Pope na nacanonized na ang saints at pwede ng dasalan...ibig sabihin nito ay nasa heaven na sila...in short sila mismo ang nagjujudge na nasa heaven nga sila...pano madadasalan ang isang Santo kung nasa hell? so may assurance ang Pope na nasa heaven na nga sila....ang tanong, sila ba ay ang Diyos? na nagsasabi na ang kaluluwa ng tao ay nasa heaven na?? e di ba ang Diyos lang naman ang nakakaalam? so bakit tayo magpapaloko na pwede ngang dasalan ang mga Santo...nakakasiguro ba tayo na nasa heaven sila kahit pa na mabait sila? sa biography pwedeng may hindi malagay...for every Saints there is an image to be worship thus; a contrary to the 2nd commandment since the Pope says that they are really in heaven...what a deceit to a Catholic like me
Because of their works and good deeds and following the path that Christ made, one presumes that saints are now in heaven. Although you are right that no one knows exactly. That is just a presumption but isn't stupid enough to think that they will be sent to hell after what they did? But as I've said, no one really knows.
If you don't believe in them, so don't pray to them as simple as that. Again, we don't worship saints and even Mary. We pray to them to pray for us.
Kung hindi nga natin alam...e bakit agad pinaniniwalaan ang ilang saints sa mga miracles na nangyari sa kanila? o kahit mga visions..dahil ba na nasa heaven sila if ever?..like for example..kay St. Dominic..bago pa siya maging saint binigay daw sa kanya ni Mary ang Rosary....samantalang may pagan origin ang rosary...so how come na pinaniwalaan na agad yun? kahit pa na may criteria ang pag agree sa mga visions o miracles...as long as there is something wrong then it should not be authentic. Then Dominic became a saint thus; presuming he is in heaven..then all might believe in him easily without regret..panget nga naman na sabihing nasa hell sila... hindi nga natin alam e, bakit kailangang ipresume o iassume pa?(canonization for example) para ba paniwalaan agad lahat ng mga milagro sa isang saint na yun?at para dasalan na rin?....
im not against sa catholic or kung anu man religion... pero.. whatever man ang iyong sinasamba. doesnt matter as long you have faith dun sa sinasamba mo. for example.. mga ninuno naten na sumasamba sa mga anito.. do you think makasalanan sila just because sumasamba sila mga anito?
OU NAMN GALING AKO SA NANAY KO HINDI DAHIL SA NAKASULAT SA PAPERS DAHIL MALAKI ANG PROWEBA NG ISANG CD HABNG PINAPANGANAK KA AT ISANG KAPIRASO NG PAPEL NG DNA NG NANAY AT TATAY MO NA NAG UUGNAY SAU NA IISANG DUGO LANG DUMADALOY SA INYO SAPAT NA SA AKIN YUN
AT YUNG KAY POPE SA TINGIN BA NINYO EH WALANG NAGAWANG KASALANAN NYAN NAKAKATAWA NGA ISIPIN NA DINADASALAN SYA NG IBANG TAO SI VIRGIN MARRY DINADASALAN DIN DI SILA DIYOS ANG MGA ITO AY INSTRUMENTO LAMANG NG DIYOS ANU YUNG DASAL NA
"VIRGIN MARRY PRAY FOR US" FOR WHAT REASON DIBA DI DIYOS SI MARRY BAKIT SI MARRY BA SA TINGIN NINYO MAY KAKAYANAN NA DINIGIN LAHAT NG PANALANGIT NYO HINDI DAHIL DIYOS LANG ANG MAY KAYA NUN
Quote from: Isamu on June 23, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
OU NAMN GALING AKO SA NANAY KO HINDI DAHIL SA NAKASULAT SA PAPERS DAHIL MALAKI ANG PROWEBA NG ISANG CD HABNG PINAPANGANAK KA AT ISANG KAPIRASO NG PAPEL NG DNA NG NANAY AT TATAY MO NA NAG UUGNAY SAU NA IISANG DUGO LANG DUMADALOY SA INYO SAPAT NA SA AKIN YUN
gaano ka naman ka sigurado na yung CD na yun ay legit? hindi nabago, napalitan o kung anu man mga nagbago. tungkol naman sa papel ng DNA, kung yun ang magiging basehan mo.. then.. hmmm
Quote from: Isamu on June 23, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
AT YUNG KAY POPE SA TINGIN BA NINYO EH WALANG NAGAWANG KASALANAN NYAN NAKAKATAWA NGA ISIPIN NA DINADASALAN SYA NG IBANG TAO SI VIRGIN MARRY DINADASALAN DIN DI SILA DIYOS ANG MGA ITO AY INSTRUMENTO LAMANG NG DIYOS ANU YUNG DASAL NA
"VIRGIN MARRY PRAY FOR US" FOR WHAT REASON DIBA DI DIYOS SI MARRY BAKIT SI MARRY BA SA TINGIN NINYO MAY KAKAYANAN NA DINIGIN LAHAT NG PANALANGIT NYO HINDI DAHIL DIYOS LANG ANG MAY KAYA NUN
ang pagkakaalam ko kasi., yung mga nagdadasal sa mga santo, pope o kung anu anuman yan eh, humihingi lang sila ng tulong na makarating yung mga dasal nila dun mismo sa god nila.. parang ganito lang.. Team Lead.. patulong naman makarating ng mga hinaing ko sa Manager naten. parang ganun lang pagkakaintindi ko. ahahaha
we are not worshiping yung mga rebulto... it's called veneration. it's like when someone dies, you keep a picture of them to remind you of those people and sometimes even talk to them right? in regard to the saints, they serve as messengers, they deliver our wishes, gratitudes, etc. to our God. it's like a governement structure, we have our mayors to govern different places. in cases of saints, we have several saints for different purposes....
I think it's all about respect and not looking to what's wrong with your belief. That's why i don't like talking about religion... it's like everyone's trying to prove that someone else'es religion is wrong.
just my opinion. don't mean any harm. =)
tamaaa :D
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on June 23, 2012, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: Isamu on June 23, 2012, 01:43:44 PM
AT YUNG KAY POPE SA TINGIN BA NINYO EH WALANG NAGAWANG KASALANAN NYAN NAKAKATAWA NGA ISIPIN NA DINADASALAN SYA NG IBANG TAO SI VIRGIN MARRY DINADASALAN DIN DI SILA DIYOS ANG MGA ITO AY INSTRUMENTO LAMANG NG DIYOS ANU YUNG DASAL NA
"VIRGIN MARRY PRAY FOR US" FOR WHAT REASON DIBA DI DIYOS SI MARRY BAKIT SI MARRY BA SA TINGIN NINYO MAY KAKAYANAN NA DINIGIN LAHAT NG PANALANGIT NYO HINDI DAHIL DIYOS LANG ANG MAY KAYA NUN
ang pagkakaalam ko kasi., yung mga nagdadasal sa mga santo, pope o kung anu anuman yan eh, humihingi lang sila ng tulong na makarating yung mga dasal nila dun mismo sa god nila.. parang ganito lang.. Team Lead.. patulong naman makarating ng mga hinaing ko sa Manager naten. parang ganun lang pagkakaintindi ko. ahahaha
i don't think na lahat ng Katoliko ay ganyan...yung iba kasi parang sinasamba na talaga e parang Diyos...tapos pag nagkaroon ng milagro edi lulubusin ang pagdasal...and mejo maseset aside si Lord...although di pa rin nakakalimutan na iworship si Lord...naseset aside lang kung baga...tapos yung iba hinahalikan na yung statues...veneration is veneration...you don't need to bow down or kiss to any statues as a sign of respect but rather acknowledging the person and praying to them is enough....hay ewan hahaha
veneration?bakit kua ganun ba ang eksaktong mukha ng mga sinasamaba ng mga tao sa araw araw diba hindi
at ang mga ibang tao bulag sa katotohanan bakit ba nila sinasamba si maria eh instrumento lang namn yan di sya dyos na para luhuran diba bakit ganun yung iba niluluhuran nila si maria sinu ba talga sya alam ko kasi instrument lang sya
Siguro, hindi naman talaga totally sinasamba kundi nagbibigay respeto lang. Though, katoliko ako, hindi ko rin kayang ipagtanggol ang religion ko or tuligsain. Dahil, honestly, hindi naman ako nagbabasa ng bible para magsalita against or in favor of them. Sa tanong kung satisfied, hindi ko masasagot kasi hindi ko alam kung anong basis para masabing satisfied ako sa religion ko. Kung baga, hilaw ang knowledge ko. Para sa akin, siguro masasabi mo'ng satisfied ka or hindi kung 1.) Kabisado mo ang religion mo or alam na alam mo yung religion mo by heart; 2. kung nagagampanan ng Church mo yung tungkulin nito in accordance sa faith niyo.
peace brothers! ;)
nc answer sir kasi mahirap yung nagkukunwaring alam mo ang lahat diba
nakaluhod kami kasi ganun kami magdasal... at kung lumuluhod kami sa harp ng ibang mga santo, hindi ibig sabihin na sinasamba namin sila. nagdadasal lang kami sa knila para iparating yung prayers namin. and yes, di namin alam talaga kung ano itsura ni lord or ni jesus, pero yung mga rebulto na yun ay mga simbolo lamang. kung halikan man namin ay sa tingin ko, wala ring masama.. hindi ba pag meron kayong bagay na may sentimental value, minsan niyayakap at hinahalikan nyo pa nga? yung mga picture? di ba symbol din un??? ganun lang...
bakit ba catholicism lang ang tinitira nyo dito??? and first of all, ang thread ay nagtatanong kung satisfied ba kayo sa religion nyo hindi kung ano ang di nyo naiintindihan sa pagiging catholic.
RESPECT.
ang paghalik sa isang sentimental value ng isang bagay na non-religious ay kaiba sa isang sentimental value related to religion kasi dinadasalan ito..kung symbol man ang mga pics ng saints o kung ano ang nasa heaven, siguro enough na yun for educational purpose only?..
Bakit nga ba Catholic ang tinitira?..kasi marami ang hindi nakakaintindi....tanong, mapupuna mo ba ang isang bagay kung may basihan ang mga pagkakamali nito?...kaiba ito sa mga paninira for example sa showbiz...sisiraan mo ang isang tao at maglalabas ka ng proweba..pero ang proweba ba yun ay makatotohanan?..so kung ang Bible ang basis ng truth, pagdududahan mo pa ba? hindi di ba? kahit sino pwedeng maintindihan ang nilalaman nito not just the hierarchy in the Church....nagaral nman tayo e...Christian history can also help us...there is nothing wrong to defend the truth if you know the basis is authentic..let's just be open-minded and respect each other...so we're not blind of the truth...in fact this arguments doesn't make me angry or irritated....hindi pagaaway ang purpose nito...nasa tao na lang yan...
example ng isang mali...o sadyang binigyang kamalian
sa Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary pag sa Rosary...meron dun.. Mother of our Creator, Pray For us...wth! ibig sabihin may mother si God? wala talaga sa Bible yan e ni Katoliko nga hindi tinuro na may mother si God...si God lang naman ang creator at hindi si Jesus Christ..tsk tsk...how come na hindi ito binabago ng Vatican??
I just want to share my view. I was born a catholic and now I attend a christian church.
With regards to praying with saints and Mary, I believed that it would would be impossible for them to hear our prayers because they are not omni present. And as what Jesus instructed, "when you pray, go to your room lock the door and pray to your Father in heaven." Mary is the mother of Jesus and Jesus is God cloaked in flesh(this is Mary's son) and Mary is not a mother of God.
I believed these things because I choose to; and I also believe that this forum's purpose it to share knowledge and wisdom or beliefs but not to impose them. As what I'm always saying RESPECT.
And I also want to share this; the reason why other members are now inactive and why there were a lot of hate post here once. It is because other people impose to everyone to RESPECT them but they too didn't know how to RESPECT. Also, because there were people who ACCUSE others without proper evidence. They just wanted to IMPOSE that their "intuition" was right.
Another thing, this is for all the "Christians" here in the forums.
What was always being taught to us? Share the love of Jesus. Please take note of the word "SHARE"; it's not "IMPOSE".
*I would like to apologize to other guys here who might have different views on religion and christianity, whom might get offended.
If you are a christian, you have to be a disciple of Jesus, a follower of Christ. And you aim to be more like Christ. With these passage, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us". God is an enemy of sin, He does not like sin. But while we were yet his enemy, He still showed His love to us. He died for us.
So if you think you're a christian, and you hate other people who has different beliefs compared to you; please think again. Are you really?
Remember this, God hates sin but He loves us. God hated our action(sin) not us. We as well will hate the sin commited to us but we will still love that person. Be angry to the action not to the person.
KUA NICE GUY ANU NAMN KINALAMN NG RELIGIOUS SA SHOWBIZ AHAHAHA
HINDI ITS BASED NA DIN KASI SA 10COMMAND MENTS EH NABABASA NA NILA PERO GINAGAWA PARIN NILA
AYUN ANG MAHIRAP KASI IPALIWANAG!! KYA PARANG DI PARIN SILA GISING SA KATOTOHANAN
kua jazaustria
nakaluhod kami kasi ganun kami magdasal... at kung lumuluhod kami sa harp ng ibang mga santo, hindi ibig sabihin na sinasamba namin sila. nagdadasal lang kami sa knila para iparating yung prayers namin.
iparating ang prayers nyo speaking of that kua bakit naririnig ba kau ng mga rebulto sa mga hiling ninyo? diba hindi halimbawa nalang sa mga bahay na nasusunog alam mo nakakalungkot isipin na yung dinadasalan nilang rebulto himbis na yung nasunugan iligtas yung rebulto pa nililigtas ngayon sabhin mo pag nagdasal kaba sa rebulto makakadating ba ang dasal mo diba hindi?
HINDI KATOLIKO ANG PINAGIINITAN DITO GUSTO LANG NAMN MALAMAN ANG TOTOO MASAMA BA YUN OU NGA DI KASAMA ITO SA TOPIC DAHIL ANG TANUNG KO LANG NAMN KUNG SATISFIED O HINDI DIBA SYEMPRE GUSTO DIN NAMN MALAMN KUNG BAKIT SATISFIED ANG ISANG TAO SA RELIHYON NITO
KAYA JUST LIKE A PART OF THIS TOPIC
Quote from: Isamu on June 28, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
KUA NICE GUY ANU NAMN KINALAMN NG RELIGIOUS SA SHOWBIZ AHAHAHA
HINDI ITS BASED NA DIN KASI SA 10COMMAND MENTS EH NABABASA NA NILA PERO GINAGAWA PARIN NILA
AYUN ANG MAHIRAP KASI IPALIWANAG!! KYA PARANG DI PARIN SILA GISING SA KATOTOHANAN
Hi Isamu,
If you are reffering to me (as kuya nice guy), I did not get what you mean with your first sentence. As for the rest of your post, what I can say is, you did made your point already right? And if they still didn't want to believe, leave it that way. If you force your beliefs to other people, you'll just create another unhealthy discussion.
And also, if you may notice we have a "Quote" button on the upper-right corner of each post so that you can direct your reply accordingly. ;D
Quote from: Isamu on June 28, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
KUA NICE GUY ANU NAMN KINALAMN NG RELIGIOUS SA SHOWBIZ AHAHAHA
HINDI ITS BASED NA DIN KASI SA 10COMMAND MENTS EH NABABASA NA NILA PERO GINAGAWA PARIN NILA
AYUN ANG MAHIRAP KASI IPALIWANAG!! KYA PARANG DI PARIN SILA GISING SA KATOTOHANAN
nirelate ko lang naman...kasi sabi nila parang sinisiraan ko daw yung Katoliko...edi nagisip ako ng example ng paninira...ayun napunta sa showbiz haha pasensya :P hindi kasi sila open-minded e kaya ganun...limited lang yung knowledge nila kung ano ang sinasabi ng mga pari o kung sino nagturo sa kanila ng Katoliko..kaya ayun di na rin sila nagiisip...nasaan ang wisdom?
DI NAMN KASI SINISIRAAN SYEMPRE GUSTO KO LANG TALGA MALAMN KUNG BAKIT YUNG MGA PARI NG KATOLIKO AY HINDI NILA MABASA YUNG VERSE NA YUN SA BIBBLE GINAGAWA NILANG BULAG ANG MGA TAO EH DBA?
KAYA NGA NAKAKALUNGKOT ISIPIN NA PAGDATING SA SIMBAHAN GANUN PARIN ANG PANINIWALA NILA AYUN PATULOY PARIN SUMASAMBA SA REBULTO
was immer du sagst. Sie zwei bis besser, wenn Sie nicht über etwas Gutes zu sagen, geschlossen. haben Sie versucht, Ihre eigene Religion in Frage? bevor Sie darauf hinweisen, was falsch ist, andere zu finden heraus, was Ihnen zuerst. Wenn Sie wuchs als Katholik und wurde zu einer anderen Religion gewechselt, so dass es sein. Sie begnugten Ursache nie ändern wird uns mit Ihren drastische Hemmungen werden. und Sie fragen Weisheit? Sie sollten das Christentum mehr, bevor sie einen Narren aus unseren Uberzeugungen studiert haben!
ELEL
Quote from: jazaustria on June 30, 2012, 11:21:00 PM
was immer du sagst. Sie zwei bis besser, wenn Sie nicht über etwas Gutes zu sagen, geschlossen. haben Sie versucht, Ihre eigene Religion in Frage? bevor Sie darauf hinweisen, was falsch ist, andere zu finden heraus, was Ihnen zuerst. Wenn Sie wuchs als Katholik und wurde zu einer anderen Religion gewechselt, so dass es sein. Sie begnugten Ursache nie ändern wird uns mit Ihren drastische Hemmungen werden. und Sie fragen Weisheit? Sie sollten das Christentum mehr, bevor sie einen Narren aus unseren Uberzeugungen studiert haben!
ELEL
how come there is nothing good in what we say? i know your message is for us..wake up dude! we're not foolish to say things like this..there's a reason why we're saying these...we're not bias in reasoning though...we're just open minded people in quest for truth not like you...sorry
what i only know is God is the cause of our religion and not just created by somebody.
yeah better open your mind... cause its closed
i dont care what you say just like a stupid think i dont want a war this topic now if you not open minded get out this topic and do not reply anymore i dont need your ideas and opinions
jazaustria ok dont reply if you not open i dont need your ideas ok
Hey, what goin' on?
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 30, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
nirelate ko lang naman...kasi sabi nila parang sinisiraan ko daw yung Katoliko...edi nagisip ako ng example ng paninira...ayun napunta sa showbiz haha pasensya :P hindi kasi sila open-minded e kaya ganun...limited lang yung knowledge nila kung ano ang sinasabi ng mga pari o kung sino nagturo sa kanila ng Katoliko..kaya ayun di na rin sila nagiisip...nasaan ang wisdom?
please do not generalize... nasabi ko na to before at sasabihin ko ulit.. hindi dapat pinagtatalunan ang relihiyon. matuto tayong rumespeto sa iba, pakiusap lang. peace.
:o kasi namn eh kasi namn yung iba binibgyan ng masamang ideas yung opinion namn eh
READ BETWEEN THE LINES... I MEANT NO HARM read the posts... look who started it?? asking where is my wisdom??? and me being not openminded??? im cool if u are, but expect the worse from me if u started something i NOT NICE!
and it seems that someone already erased his posts to make him look good... yeah im the bad guy....
you don't know me personally.
PREJUDICE
at bigla akong napakanta.. "I'm not satisfied to go to church and walk away.. I'm not satisfied... blah blah"
Pls treat each other with dignity and respect, heated debates are welcome but avoid posts which descends to personal insults. If you don't agree with what someone posted then debate their post not the person who posted it.
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on July 03, 2012, 08:24:21 AM
at bigla akong napakanta.. "I'm not satisfied to go to church and walk away.. I'm not satisfied... blah blah"
oi..hillsong to diba?
anung title nit0?xD?
^ We believe in You
guys., chill lang., kahit siguro gaano kainit yung debate. chill lang. ahahaha., hindi naman maiiwasan yung mga hindi pag kakasundo sa mga opinions and ideas. Meron mga gustong matuto, meron gusto malaman. Chill lang ha :D
nakakabastos kasi eh di sya magsasalita ng ganun kung di masama sinabi nya >.<
oo nga...pero kalma lang guys hahaha...basta we did our part na..its up to anyone if they will believe or not
AHAHAHA!!! di chill lang xD
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
^LIKE
Quote from: bukojob on July 15, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
Yes ur correct sinu ba kasi unang nagpalaki ng gulo bout religion ^^
Quote from: Isamu on July 16, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 15, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
Yes ur correct sinu ba kasi unang nagpalaki ng gulo bout religion ^^
Sa tingin ko ang problema ay hindi kung sino UNANG nagpalaki ng gulo; kundi sino ang sumali sa pagpapalaki ng gulo.
Quote from: noyskie on July 16, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
Quote from: Isamu on July 16, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 15, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
tama cnu ba kasi sumali ng gulo na nakikigulo anu daw ahaha!!! pero tama ng punto mo kua tama yan tama
Yes ur correct sinu ba kasi unang nagpalaki ng gulo bout religion ^^
Sa tingin ko ang problema ay hindi kung sino UNANG nagpalaki ng gulo; kundi sino ang sumali sa pagpapalaki ng gulo.
Quote from: bukojob on July 15, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
i already posted something like this before.... i think i need to translate it into Filipino so that other people can understand. sana maintindihan... hehe
anyway, nice meeting you again buko! =D i wasnt able to read the book that u have suggested, kakastart ko pa lang nung kay harper lee.
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 30, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Quote from: Isamu on June 28, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
KUA NICE GUY ANU NAMN KINALAMN NG RELIGIOUS SA SHOWBIZ AHAHAHA
HINDI ITS BASED NA DIN KASI SA 10COMMAND MENTS EH NABABASA NA NILA PERO GINAGAWA PARIN NILA
AYUN ANG MAHIRAP KASI IPALIWANAG!! KYA PARANG DI PARIN SILA GISING SA KATOTOHANAN
nirelate ko lang naman...kasi sabi nila parang sinisiraan ko daw yung Katoliko...edi nagisip ako ng example ng paninira...ayun napunta sa showbiz haha pasensya :P hindi kasi sila open-minded e kaya ganun...limited lang yung knowledge nila kung ano ang sinasabi ng mga pari o kung sino nagturo sa kanila ng Katoliko..kaya ayun di na rin sila nagiisip...nasaan ang wisdom?
do i need to tell who started? and why i post such in german?
anyway, i dont need to explain further, im just stooping down to other grounds if Ill wont move on from this. this is never a basis of intelligence nor finding the so called WISDOM.
Quote from: noyskie on July 16, 2012, 04:21:00 PM
Quote from: Isamu on July 16, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
Quote from: bukojob on July 15, 2012, 09:51:34 PM
no, not satisfied.
the thread's question is a simple yes and no question. no need to question other people's religion.
Yes ur correct sinu ba kasi unang nagpalaki ng gulo bout religion ^^
Sa tingin ko ang problema ay hindi kung sino UNANG nagpalaki ng gulo; kundi sino ang sumali sa pagpapalaki ng gulo.
TAMA SIR HEHE!! NC MEETING YOU SIR!
Quote from: Isamu on July 18, 2012, 03:25:22 PM
Quote from: jazaustria on July 17, 2012, 03:11:51 AM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 30, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Quote from: Isamu on June 28, 2012, 04:43:17 PM
KUA NICE GUY ANU NAMN KINALAMN NG RELIGIOUS SA SHOWBIZ AHAHAHA
HINDI ITS BASED NA DIN KASI SA 10COMMAND MENTS EH NABABASA NA NILA PERO GINAGAWA PARIN NILA
AYUN ANG MAHIRAP KASI IPALIWANAG!! KYA PARANG DI PARIN SILA GISING SA KATOTOHANAN
nirelate ko lang naman...kasi sabi nila parang sinisiraan ko daw yung Katoliko...edi nagisip ako ng example ng paninira...ayun napunta sa showbiz haha pasensya :P hindi kasi sila open-minded e kaya ganun...limited lang yung knowledge nila kung ano ang sinasabi ng mga pari o kung sino nagturo sa kanila ng Katoliko..kaya ayun di na rin sila nagiisip...nasaan ang wisdom?
do i need to tell who started? and why i post such in german?
anyway, i dont need to explain further, im just stooping down to other grounds if Ill wont move on from this. this is never a basis of intelligence nor finding the so called WISDOM.
but your wrong is you use another language its just like a bad words beacause we dont understand next time dont use other language beacause just like descriminating other people who read in your post/comment
aray ko Isamu hindi ko kinaya sumakit ang ulo ko sayo :-X
I need an interpreter (https://www.pinoyguyguide.com/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Femoticons4u.com%2Fcrazy%2F683.gif&hash=74b6efc787fb8d91a8990b0490e9614f1c57a64d)
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 27, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
example ng isang mali...o sadyang binigyang kamalian
sa Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary pag sa Rosary...meron dun.. Mother of our Creator, Pray For us...wth! ibig sabihin may mother si God? wala talaga sa Bible yan e ni Katoliko nga hindi tinuro na may mother si God...si God lang naman ang creator at hindi si Jesus Christ..tsk tsk...how come na hindi ito binabago ng Vatican??
Bro, eto po ang explanation po sa tanong ninyo. pardon me, but I will try my best.
Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. In order to understand why we call Mary as "Mother of Our Creator", we must first understand the Nature of her Son.
Jesus, in the Gospel of St. Matthew (3:17) "and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." This voice is the Father, acknowledging that Jesus is His Son. In the Mystery of the Holy Trinity, the Three Divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, although are different persons and served different roles in our salvation History ( Father as Creator, the Son as Redeemer, the Spirit as Sanctifier/Advocate), they share in One Godhead. All of them are equal in majesty and power and glory.
Let us go back to St. John's prologue in Chapter 1: 1-2
In the
beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and
the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.
All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.We see here that the Word is truly one in being with God. Everything was created through Him (the Word)! hence, we can also call Jesus as Creator, as He too, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, did the Work of Creation.
Going to verse 14:
"And the
Word became flesh*
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the
glory as of the Father's only Son,
full of grace and truth.
This verse says that the Word was made Flesh, and this Word, truly shares in the full, the glory of His Father. Therefore, he deserves the honor and dignity, as He shares in the Divine Nature, while fully assuming Human Nature.
Now, who is this Word? Let us go to st. Luke's account of the Annunciation. The Angel Gabriel said (luke 1:35) "And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore
the child to be born will be called holy,
the Son of God."
So, if the Holy Offspring in the womb of Mary is the Son of God, sharing in full the glory of God, participating in the creation of the world, therefore, the Word is also Creator, for He is also part of the Godhead who created all things.
Now, Mary is NOT the Mother of Source of the Divine Nature of Jesus her Son. Never did the Church teach that. Mary remains human. However, as we acknowledge the True Divine and Human Nature of Jesus, being God, being Creator, we can also call Mary as truly, "Mother of Our Creator", for she bore for us the Word who created heaven and earth, God made flesh. With it, she deserves the respect and honor that she deserves, but never equal to God. Mary is not God, but thanks to her cooperation to the will of God, the work of Salvation was accomplished.
I hope this helps. sorry mahaba po.
I will end with the famous quote of one of my favorite saints and a great Marian Lover, St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe:
"Do not be afraid of giving the Immaculate too much love, for you will never come to love her, as Jesus did!"
come to these websites that will help shed light on your queries about the Catholic Church and her teachings:
http://www.catholicscomehome.org/
The truth about Mary and Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
I feel very at home with the Catholic Church, my Mother!
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 01, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
hi bro...ano ang mali na nasasabi mo tungkol sa Transubstantiation at sa Eucharist? Kung ano man tanong mo sa Catholic faith, let me help you answer it.
To begin, Transubstantiation is the process wherein the bread and wine, by the power of the Holy Spirit, is transformed into the very substance of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although its physical qualities remain (bread, wine) which happens during the Mass.
In the 12th century, a priest doubted about this gift. he celebrated Mass, and the "transubstantiated bread and wine" was changed into Flesh and Blood, and remains today in lanciano Italy. Science testifies to its authenticity. watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8
now, tell me, if it is not by God's power and love that this has occurred, by what power then, and to what end did this happen and still continue to exist. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit.
Ave Maria!
Quote from: mervs on March 09, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 01, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
hi bro...ano ang mali na nasasabi mo tungkol sa Transubstantiation at sa Eucharist? Kung ano man tanong mo sa Catholic faith, let me help you answer it.
To begin, Transubstantiation is the process wherein the bread and wine, by the power of the Holy Spirit, is transformed into the very substance of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although its physical qualities remain (bread, wine) which happens during the Mass.
In the 12th century, a priest doubted about this gift. he celebrated Mass, and the "transubstantiated bread and wine" was changed into Flesh and Blood, and remains today in lanciano Italy. Science testifies to its authenticity. watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8
now, tell me, if it is not by God's power and love that this has occurred, by what power then, and to what end did this happen and still continue to exist. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit.
Ave Maria!
please show me on what verse in the Bible does transubstantiation/Last Supper occurs by the power of the Holy Spirit?
Quote from: mervs on March 09, 2014, 10:37:30 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 27, 2012, 12:15:50 AM
example ng isang mali...o sadyang binigyang kamalian
sa Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary pag sa Rosary...meron dun.. Mother of our Creator, Pray For us...wth! ibig sabihin may mother si God? wala talaga sa Bible yan e ni Katoliko nga hindi tinuro na may mother si God...si God lang naman ang creator at hindi si Jesus Christ..tsk tsk...how come na hindi ito binabago ng Vatican??
Bro, eto po ang explanation po sa tanong ninyo. pardon me, but I will try my best.
Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. In order to understand why we call Mary as "Mother of Our Creator", we must first understand the Nature of her Son.
Jesus, in the Gospel of St. Matthew (3:17) "and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." This voice is the Father, acknowledging that Jesus is His Son. In the Mystery of the Holy Trinity, the Three Divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, although are different persons and served different roles in our salvation History ( Father as Creator, the Son as Redeemer, the Spirit as Sanctifier/Advocate), they share in One Godhead. All of them are equal in majesty and power and glory.
Let us go back to St. John's prologue in Chapter 1: 1-2
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.
We see here that the Word is truly one in being with God. Everything was created through Him (the Word)! hence, we can also call Jesus as Creator, as He too, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, did the Work of Creation.
Going to verse 14:
"And the Word became flesh*
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father's only Son,
full of grace and truth.
This verse says that the Word was made Flesh, and this Word, truly shares in the full, the glory of His Father. Therefore, he deserves the honor and dignity, as He shares in the Divine Nature, while fully assuming Human Nature.
Now, who is this Word? Let us go to st. Luke's account of the Annunciation. The Angel Gabriel said (luke 1:35) "And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."
So, if the Holy Offspring in the womb of Mary is the Son of God, sharing in full the glory of God, participating in the creation of the world, therefore, the Word is also Creator, for He is also part of the Godhead who created all things.
Now, Mary is NOT the Mother of Source of the Divine Nature of Jesus her Son. Never did the Church teach that. Mary remains human. However, as we acknowledge the True Divine and Human Nature of Jesus, being God, being Creator, we can also call Mary as truly, "Mother of Our Creator", for she bore for us the Word who created heaven and earth, God made flesh. With it, she deserves the respect and honor that she deserves, but never equal to God. Mary is not God, but thanks to her cooperation to the will of God, the work of Salvation was accomplished.
I hope this helps. sorry mahaba po.
I will end with the famous quote of one of my favorite saints and a great Marian Lover, St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe:
"Do not be afraid of giving the Immaculate too much love, for you will never come to love her, as Jesus did!"
come to these websites that will help shed light on your queries about the Catholic Church and her teachings:
http://www.catholicscomehome.org/
The truth about Mary and Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
yup this helps, thanks! ngayon ko lang narealize ang Trinity na yan :) but still i know that Catholicism really contradicts some teachings in the Bible..ayoko na isa isahin tama na enough hahah
Quote from: niceguy1111 on March 10, 2014, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: mervs on March 09, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
Quote from: niceguy1111 on June 01, 2012, 11:31:34 AM
makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
hi bro...ano ang mali na nasasabi mo tungkol sa Transubstantiation at sa Eucharist? Kung ano man tanong mo sa Catholic faith, let me help you answer it.
To begin, Transubstantiation is the process wherein the bread and wine, by the power of the Holy Spirit, is transformed into the very substance of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although its physical qualities remain (bread, wine) which happens during the Mass.
In the 12th century, a priest doubted about this gift. he celebrated Mass, and the "transubstantiated bread and wine" was changed into Flesh and Blood, and remains today in lanciano Italy. Science testifies to its authenticity. watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8
now, tell me, if it is not by God's power and love that this has occurred, by what power then, and to what end did this happen and still continue to exist. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit.
Ave Maria!
please show me on what verse in the Bible does transubstantiation/Last Supper occurs by the power of the Holy Spirit?
The Last Supper, wherein Jesus institutes the Last Supper, fulfills what He said in the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6. As for the Spirit, John 6:63 answers that.
"It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh* is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life."
Jesus also received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, as the Anointed Son of God. it is the Holy Spirit that empowers Him to do His Mission also. Jesus, being fully Divine, has the power also to create. If God, through by His Singular will, created everything out of nothing, surely Jesus, the Son of God, can transform anything into what He desires to, for He is God. If he cursed the fig tree, and it withered ( mark 11:12-25), calms the storm (mark 4: 35-41), heals people, drives out demons by his word alone, surely He has also the power to transform the bread and wine into His very Body and Blood by His Singular desire and utterance.
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makinig pa rin kayo sa pari...mabuti rin naman mga sermon nila Hahaha...pero dapat kayo rin mismo maalam niyo ang mali sa tama :) oy magsimba din kayo! lalo na kung hindi kayo nagbabasa ng Bible at least man lang marinig niyo ang Salita ng Diyos....pero sa pagcommunion ang alam ko may mali dito e lalo na sa transubstantiation...kayo na lang magresearch sa net kung bakit :P
hi bro...ano ang mali na nasasabi mo tungkol sa Transubstantiation at sa Eucharist? Kung ano man tanong mo sa Catholic faith, let me help you answer it.
To begin, Transubstantiation is the process wherein the bread and wine, by the power of the Holy Spirit, is transformed into the very substance of the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, although its physical qualities remain (bread, wine) which happens during the Mass.
In the 12th century, a priest doubted about this gift. he celebrated Mass, and the "transubstantiated bread and wine" was changed into Flesh and Blood, and remains today in lanciano Italy. Science testifies to its authenticity. watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJ8BORx1p8
now, tell me, if it is not by God's power and love that this has occurred, by what power then, and to what end did this happen and still continue to exist. Remember, a tree is known by its fruit.
Ave Maria!
please show me on what verse in the Bible does transubstantiation/Last Supper occurs by the power of the Holy Spirit?
please also view my post regarding your question on the thread, "matter of faith" thanks
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example ng isang mali...o sadyang binigyang kamalian
sa Litany of the Blessed Virgin Mary pag sa Rosary...meron dun.. Mother of our Creator, Pray For us...wth! ibig sabihin may mother si God? wala talaga sa Bible yan e ni Katoliko nga hindi tinuro na may mother si God...si God lang naman ang creator at hindi si Jesus Christ..tsk tsk...how come na hindi ito binabago ng Vatican??
Bro, eto po ang explanation po sa tanong ninyo. pardon me, but I will try my best.
Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary. In order to understand why we call Mary as "Mother of Our Creator", we must first understand the Nature of her Son.
Jesus, in the Gospel of St. Matthew (3:17) "and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." This voice is the Father, acknowledging that Jesus is His Son. In the Mystery of the Holy Trinity, the Three Divine Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, although are different persons and served different roles in our salvation History ( Father as Creator, the Son as Redeemer, the Spirit as Sanctifier/Advocate), they share in One Godhead. All of them are equal in majesty and power and glory.
Let us go back to St. John's prologue in Chapter 1: 1-2
In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.
We see here that the Word is truly one in being with God. Everything was created through Him (the Word)! hence, we can also call Jesus as Creator, as He too, together with the Father and the Holy Spirit, did the Work of Creation.
Going to verse 14:
"And the Word became flesh*
and made his dwelling among us,
and we saw his glory,
the glory as of the Father's only Son,
full of grace and truth.
This verse says that the Word was made Flesh, and this Word, truly shares in the full, the glory of His Father. Therefore, he deserves the honor and dignity, as He shares in the Divine Nature, while fully assuming Human Nature.
Now, who is this Word? Let us go to st. Luke's account of the Annunciation. The Angel Gabriel said (luke 1:35) "And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."
So, if the Holy Offspring in the womb of Mary is the Son of God, sharing in full the glory of God, participating in the creation of the world, therefore, the Word is also Creator, for He is also part of the Godhead who created all things.
Now, Mary is NOT the Mother of Source of the Divine Nature of Jesus her Son. Never did the Church teach that. Mary remains human. However, as we acknowledge the True Divine and Human Nature of Jesus, being God, being Creator, we can also call Mary as truly, "Mother of Our Creator", for she bore for us the Word who created heaven and earth, God made flesh. With it, she deserves the respect and honor that she deserves, but never equal to God. Mary is not God, but thanks to her cooperation to the will of God, the work of Salvation was accomplished.
I hope this helps. sorry mahaba po.
I will end with the famous quote of one of my favorite saints and a great Marian Lover, St. Maximilian Maria Kolbe:
"Do not be afraid of giving the Immaculate too much love, for you will never come to love her, as Jesus did!"
come to these websites that will help shed light on your queries about the Catholic Church and her teachings:
http://www.catholicscomehome.org/
The truth about Mary and Scripture
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUdYeYy3NQA
yup this helps, thanks! ngayon ko lang narealize ang Trinity na yan :) but still i know that Catholicism really contradicts some teachings in the Bible..ayoko na isa isahin tama na enough hahah
I will share the quote of Venerable Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen: ""There are not more than 100
people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but
there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church. ....As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do."
hence, let us try to learn and know what the Church truly is, and what she is not, and from there, we decide if we believe or not. I understand you, nice guy, you have a very healthy faith, for it seeks to grow, a faith seeking understanding, a deep hunger for truth, a great longing for God.
thanks man! :D
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thanks man! :D
you're welcome bro! hope it helps. just throw your queries and we'll try to work on it