Are you racist?
Are Filipinos racist?
i think tayong mga Pinoy ang isa sa mga pinaka-racist sa buong mundo....
hindi lang sa kulay ng balat, kundi pati sa iba pang kapintasan sa katawan..
no wonder ang daming nagsulputang derm clinic at mga kung anu-anong cosmetic products sa bansa...
ako, i can't say na hindi ako racist.. pero hindi naman ako yung tipong pinag-sisigawan ko sa iba yung hindi ko gusto sa isa..
i just keep it to myself o kaya iniisip ko na what if kung ako yun.. diba?
Quote from: carpediem on August 07, 2010, 01:15:00 AM
Are you racist?
Are Filipinos racist?
mas racist ang western countries or white people. South africa has apartheid.
Quote from: judE_Law on August 07, 2010, 10:52:15 AM
i think tayong mga Pinoy ang isa sa mga pinaka-racist sa buong mundo....
hindi lang sa kulay ng balat, kundi pati sa iba pang kapintasan sa katawan..
no wonder ang daming nagsulputang derm clinic at mga kung anu-anong cosmetic products sa bansa...
ako, i can't say na hindi ako racist.. pero hindi naman ako yung tipong pinag-sisigawan ko sa iba yung hindi ko gusto sa isa..
i just keep it to myself o kaya iniisip ko na what if kung ako yun.. diba?
ano ba meaning ng racist... parang malalimyata to... masyado nga tayong open na mga pinoy e in terms of nationality
it means you discriminate against a race.
such as sa mga black people - iniisip kadiri, madumi, walang alam, etc..
ako im a racist. but only against Indians. Naiinis ako sa kanila. parang peste ng mundo. I have started not buying any garment (basically anything) that is made in India. (on the side, nilalamangan pa ang pinoy sa kanilang five-six)
Quote from: angelo on August 07, 2010, 11:15:58 PM
it means you discriminate against a race.
such as sa mga black people - iniisip kadiri, madumi, walang alam, etc..
ako im a racist. but only against Indians. Naiinis ako sa kanila. parang peste ng mundo. I have started not buying any garment (basically anything) that is made in India. (on the side, nilalamangan pa ang pinoy sa kanilang five-six)
hahaha you discriminate India e mas mataas pa ang economy ng bansa nila. Mas may right sila na i-discriminate tayo ;D I don't discriminate other races kasi sa totoo lang mas mababa tayo compared sa kanila when it comes to the progress of a nation, economy, etc. Umaasa nga lang tayo sa tulong ng ibang bansa at naghihintay ng donasyon. Marami nga nakikilalang mga pinoy sa iba't ibang bansa pero mapapansin niyo puro lang sa entertainment at sports like Charice, UST choral group at Manny Pacquiao.
^ gusto ko naman makilala ang Pinas sa ibang bansa scientifically.
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on August 08, 2010, 09:05:43 PM
^ gusto ko naman makilala ang Pinas sa ibang bansa scientifically.
we used to for our rice/palay.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 08, 2010, 08:34:27 PM
Quote from: angelo on August 07, 2010, 11:15:58 PM
it means you discriminate against a race.
such as sa mga black people - iniisip kadiri, madumi, walang alam, etc..
ako im a racist. but only against Indians. Naiinis ako sa kanila. parang peste ng mundo. I have started not buying any garment (basically anything) that is made in India. (on the side, nilalamangan pa ang pinoy sa kanilang five-six)
hahaha you discriminate India e mas mataas pa ang economy ng bansa nila. Mas may right sila na i-discriminate tayo ;D I don't discriminate other races kasi sa totoo lang mas mababa tayo compared sa kanila when it comes to the progress of a nation, economy, etc. Umaasa nga lang tayo sa tulong ng ibang bansa at naghihintay ng donasyon. Marami nga nakikilalang mga pinoy sa iba't ibang bansa pero mapapansin niyo puro lang sa entertainment at sports like Charice, UST choral group at Manny Pacquiao.
that is correct. i just have my personal bias against them.
may nationalistic sense kasi sila. tulungan sa kapwa. napansin ko talaga ito.
hindi gaya ng mga pinoy may crab mentality. ibang-iba pa makatingin sa iyo kapag tingin nila "bagito" ka pa lang. sayang lang talaga ang galing ng pinoy. brain drain na rin.
basta ang sa akin lang, mas kapuna-puna sila compared to filipinos.
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
Quote from: carpediem on August 09, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
no, being a racist just like Adolf Hitler did not give him any success
Quote from: carpediem on August 09, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
yes if you take it positively. hirap kasi kung pikon at anger, kung anu-ano ang naiisip gawin which in the end did not prove to be uplifting. instead revenge lang nagaganap
but to him he succeded, in terms of 6 million Jews exterminated.
Quote from: carpediem on August 09, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
beneficial to them? yes, may unity sila e.. but for the humankind as a whole, syempre hinde. it just promotes hostility towards the particular race they're racist about.. which in turn could culminate conflicts, wars..
Sometimes, I feel like I'm a black man. Hahaha! Madame kase aqng mga idol na black. Hehehe!
Mababait nmn ang mga Indians eh. I have indian friends when I was young and indian co-workers today. They seem kinder and caring than Filipinos do. Yun nga lang, I don't like their smell lalo na pag pawis..
I also have japanese, american, and chinese friends nung bata pa ako.. That's why hinde aq naging racist when I grew up. I wonder where they are? And I wonder what they do? Are they somewhere feeling lonely..
Quote from: carpediem on August 09, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
i don't think so!
if your a racist yourself, you will definitely say yes...
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on August 10, 2010, 11:05:33 PM
but to him he succeded, in terms of 6 million Jews exterminated.
his plan is to exterminate all. Wala pa sa 10% ng total population iyan kaya hinde siya successful.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 11, 2010, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on August 10, 2010, 11:05:33 PM
but to him he succeded, in terms of 6 million Jews exterminated.
his plan is to exterminate all. Wala pa sa 10% ng total population iyan kaya hinde siya successful.
at hindi naman lahat ng germans ay umayon o pumabor sa kanya.. in fact ang daming attempt sa buhay niya na mga germans din ang may kagagawan... wait.. Austrian born, german politician siya diba?
hmm.. ako, personally, dati, nung bata ako racist ako. I dunno why; maybe it's because of the media or literature that I am exposed with as a child. Pero eventually, nawala din.
I'm talking about racism against african-americans btw
as for people being 'something'-ist (discrimination against specific gender or height or weight etc), I don't think I am like that
racist ang mga whites, they discriminate blacks. They feel that they are the superior race of all mankind ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 11, 2010, 11:04:37 PM
racist ang mga whites, they discriminate blacks. They feel that they are the superior race of all mankind ;D
nagiging racist na si brusko.. dini-discriminate ang mga whites... lol! ;D
Quote from: judE_Law on August 11, 2010, 12:10:37 PM
Quote from: carpediem on August 09, 2010, 11:42:42 PM
Do you think that to some degree being racist is actually beneficial to a race/nationality because it sort of binds the racist people together and promotes unity among themselves against a foreign race?
i don't think so!
if your a racist yourself, you will definitely say yes...
It is just a theory of mine. But I do not believe if one's a racist he/she would say yes.
Quote from: judE_Law on August 12, 2010, 02:01:28 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 11, 2010, 11:04:37 PM
racist ang mga whites, they discriminate blacks. They feel that they are the superior race of all mankind ;D
nagiging racist na si brusko.. dini-discriminate ang mga whites... lol! ;D
hahaha dapat talaga sila naman ang idiscriminate natin. For so many years, mababa tingin nila sa atin ;D
^ so... eh di totoo nga ang sinabi ko na mas matindi mag-discriminate mga Pinoy? basahin niyo ulit mga post at makikita niyo sinasabi ko.. haha..
hinde rin. iilan lang ang pinoy na racist. Regionalistic ang pinoy like Kapampangans don't meddle with Bisaya, tagalogs dont' meddle much with Ilokanos but they're not racists ;D
Quote from: fox69 on August 16, 2010, 05:50:20 PM
OT...can we change the title into ARE YOU A RACIST? the grammar police will be very happy ;D
hahaha english teacher ka na din ;D aside from Mathematician. :D
naalala ko kasi mababa tingin ng ibang pinoys lalo na mga tagalogs sa mga ethnic tribes like aetas, mangyan, tibolis, tasadays, igorots, etc.
Quote from: fox69 on August 16, 2010, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 16, 2010, 05:53:28 PM
Quote from: fox69 on August 16, 2010, 05:50:20 PM
OT...can we change the title into ARE YOU A RACIST? the grammar police will be very happy ;D
hahaha english teacher ka na din ;D aside from Mathematician. :D
hehehe...bigla ko lang napansin kasi ang ganda ng reply mo about us Filipinos being regionalistics instead of racists ;D
Hmm. I do not see anything wrong. The "racist" in "Are you racist?" is an adjective, just like Filipino in "Are you Filipino?" whereas if it is "Are you a racist?" then you are using "racist" as a noun.
"Regionalistic" is a different matter altogether. It is the regional analogue of "nationalistic". The analogue of racism I think is probably bigotry, although it is too generic.
racism is a belief of superiority of a race. regionalistic is a belief of superiority of a region in the same country. both are different but they have common denominator to other people - Prejudice ;D
^ true!
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 17, 2010, 11:33:11 AM
racism is a belief of superiority of a race. regionalistic is a belief of superiority of a region in the same country. both are different but they have common denominator to other people - Prejudice ;D
I do not think being regionalistic is analogous to being racist. Being regionalistic just means you are just loyal to your own region (and you may not care for the welfare of other regions). There is no prejudice there, just like when you are nationalistic.
Being racist however is purely negative.
Quote from: carpediem on August 18, 2010, 12:23:22 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on August 17, 2010, 11:33:11 AM
racism is a belief of superiority of a race. regionalistic is a belief of superiority of a region in the same country. both are different but they have common denominator to other people - Prejudice ;D
I do not think being regionalistic is analogous to being racist. Being regionalistic just means you are just loyal to your own region (and you may not care for the welfare of other regions). There is no prejudice there, just like when you are nationalistic.
Being racist however is purely negative.
yes I agree being racist is purely negative pero sa pagiging regionalistic ng pinoy as i mentioned examples like tagalogs don't meddle much with mangyans, aetas, igorots kc mababa talaga tingin nila sa kanila di ba? its not pure negative pero meron pa din negative.
kaya nga ang overview ko hinde racist ang pinoy kundi regionalistic
^ Ok. I thought you mant the term regionalistic in general. Yes I think many Filipinos are regionalistic.
I wonder if the Spanish rule has contributed somewhat to racism in the country.
basta... ang masasabi ko diyan.. likas sa marami sa ating mga Pinoy ang pagiging racist!
I'm not a racist. And I love my friends and classmates. ;D
^ You have many foreign friends and classmates? What nationality?
Sa Europe po ako nag-aaral (slashnakatiraslashlumaki). So natural lang na maraming race ang nakakainteract ko. ;)
ako di racist pero ive experienced a lot even in our country... mas lalo na sa foreigner
dito discriminated ang bangladesh, indians, pakistanis at pinoys ;D but hell do I care? I'm here for work :D
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
Quote from: ctan on September 05, 2010, 06:16:18 PM
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
nabasa ko sa isang article..
"hindi tungkol sa kung nakakasalita sila ng ingles kundi kung naiintindihan ba nila yung ingles, base sa pagkakasabi ni diaz hindi nga nila siya naiintindihan."
i think mali lang siguro sila ng pagkakaintindi kay gloria diaz.
alam niyo naman tayong mga Pinoy masyadong balat-sibuyas.. -ayan ha.. referring ako sa ating lahat ng Pinoy.
Quote from: judE_Law on September 05, 2010, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 05, 2010, 06:16:18 PM
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
nabasa ko sa isang article..
"hindi tungkol sa kung nakakasalita sila ng ingles kundi kung naiintindihan ba nila yung ingles, base sa pagkakasabi ni diaz hindi nga nila siya naiintindihan."
i think mali lang siguro sila ng pagkakaintindi kay gloria diaz.
alam niyo naman tayong mga Pinoy masyadong balat-sibuyas.. -ayan ha.. referring ako sa ating lahat ng Pinoy.
pero jude, really, i watched the video kanina and she said: "(in verbatim) kasi when you think about a Cebuano can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog so maybe she should answer in in in Bisaya"
very stereotypical answer. and of course, discriminatory.
^ I don't feel it was discriminatory, although I have to admit I'm not a Cebuano. But I think even if it really was discriminatory, people do not have to make a big deal out of it. It just shows how onion-skinned Filipinos are, as jude pointed it out.
Quote from: ctan on September 05, 2010, 06:16:18 PM
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
I'm a cebuano but I'm not affected. Everybody is entitled to its own opinion. HInde ganun katalino si Gloria para patulan kahit naging miss universe pa siya in her time. ;D Wala siyang pinagkaiba kay Melanie Marquez :D
How is it not discriminatory? She said "a Cebuano can hardly speak English of course Tagalog". That's not discriminating enough? What is it then? Hehehe. Sencya nahihighblood ako sa kanya. Hehehe!
For me it is just over-generalization. She just stated that "a Cebuano can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog" whether it is true or not. It is just like saying Filipinos can hardly speak English, and so Filipinos may just as well speak in Filipino and have a translator translate it to English. If on the other hand she said "a Cebuano can hardly speak English or Tagalog and may just as well stop trying" then that is discriminatory.
I get your point carpediem, pero it's different when she said it. Apart from her direct discriminatory statement, she preceded it with "when you think about a Cebuano...". It seems as if she has thought about it thoroughly, and thought that it is brilliant when she made a generalization that indeed "a Cebuano CAN HARDLY speak English and of course Tagalog". It isn't just or fair which makes it discriminatory for me. I'm not Cebuano, but I'm a Bisaya. And it frustrates me when someone looks down on what we Bisaya are able to do.
its just wrong wordplay. but the intent is there.
the point is just to use whatever native language you learned to make it more comfortable to you to answer and avoid any major major problem that could have cost you the crown.
Quote from: angelo on September 06, 2010, 10:38:20 PM
its just wrong wordplay. but the intent is there.
the point is just to use whatever native language you learned to make it more comfortable to you to answer and avoid any major major problem that could have cost you the crown.
then i think it should be Gloria Diaz who should have used Tagalog when she made that statement! hehehe!
back to topic na hehehe sayang lang oras natin kay Gloria ;D
Quote from: ctan on September 06, 2010, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: judE_Law on September 05, 2010, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 05, 2010, 06:16:18 PM
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
nabasa ko sa isang article..
"hindi tungkol sa kung nakakasalita sila ng ingles kundi kung naiintindihan ba nila yung ingles, base sa pagkakasabi ni diaz hindi nga nila siya naiintindihan."
i think mali lang siguro sila ng pagkakaintindi kay gloria diaz.
alam niyo naman tayong mga Pinoy masyadong balat-sibuyas.. -ayan ha.. referring ako sa ating lahat ng Pinoy.
pero jude, really, i watched the video kanina and she said: "(in verbatim) kasi when you think about a Cebuano can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog so maybe she should answer in in in Bisaya"
very stereotypical answer. and of course, discriminatory.
okay.. himayin natin ang sinabi niya...
"kasi when you thin about a
Cebuano can hardly pseak english and of course tagalog" - Cebuano ang sinabi niya not cebuanos.. referring to a single person.. lahat ba ng cebuano eh fluent in english? hindi naman siguro diba? what she is trying to say ay kung may cebuano na hirap magsalita ng english or tagalog.. pwede siyang magsalita in her native language at kumuha tayo ng interpreter.
Quote from: ctan on September 07, 2010, 01:03:52 AM
Quote from: angelo on September 06, 2010, 10:38:20 PM
its just wrong wordplay. but the intent is there.
the point is just to use whatever native language you learned to make it more comfortable to you to answer and avoid any major major problem that could have cost you the crown.
then i think it should be Gloria Diaz who should have used Tagalog when she made that statement! hehehe!
nah. at the end of the day, you can't blame it on her. she has proved herself already.
Quote from: judE_Law on September 08, 2010, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 06, 2010, 12:05:26 AM
Quote from: judE_Law on September 05, 2010, 10:15:06 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 05, 2010, 06:16:18 PM
I really think that Gloria Diaz's statement regarding Cebuanos could probably be misubderstood, but the essence of her statement is really discriminatory, not to mention downgrading and a form of mockery.
nabasa ko sa isang article..
"hindi tungkol sa kung nakakasalita sila ng ingles kundi kung naiintindihan ba nila yung ingles, base sa pagkakasabi ni diaz hindi nga nila siya naiintindihan."
i think mali lang siguro sila ng pagkakaintindi kay gloria diaz.
alam niyo naman tayong mga Pinoy masyadong balat-sibuyas.. -ayan ha.. referring ako sa ating lahat ng Pinoy.
pero jude, really, i watched the video kanina and she said: "(in verbatim) kasi when you think about a Cebuano can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog so maybe she should answer in in in Bisaya"
very stereotypical answer. and of course, discriminatory.
okay.. himayin natin ang sinabi niya...
"kasi when you thin about a Cebuano can hardly pseak english and of course tagalog" - Cebuano ang sinabi niya not cebuanos.. referring to a single person.. lahat ba ng cebuano eh fluent in english? hindi naman siguro diba? what she is trying to say ay kung may cebuano na hirap magsalita ng english or tagalog.. pwede siyang magsalita in her native language at kumuha tayo ng interpreter.
i dont agree with your analysis jude. :-) if i say, "think about this: a FILIPINO can't speak English fluently". How would it differ with this statement: "Filipinos can't speak English fluently"? They both convey the same thing. However, they differ in their manner of concluding. the first statement is INDUCTIVE, while the second one is DEDUCTIVE. so there's really no point when she used CEBUANO (singular) as compared to using CEBUANOS (plural), as both points convey that Cebuano/s can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog.
by the way, how would you feel when someone says this: "kasi when you think about a Kapampangan can hardly speak English and of course Tagalog so maybe she should answer in in in Kapampangan". :-) i'd be irated for you if that is so. :-)
@angelo, she hasn't proven herself innocent yet. hehehe. yes, she has the good intention. but his discriminatory language is some sort of a freudian slip. hahaha.
proven innocent? where are you coming from? im just saying she has proven her herself - being a winner.
well. cant do anything anymore. its more of understanding on your part. im sorry.
true, id be offended had she talked about her roots being a fellow bicolano myself, and how she bungled the chance. but im proud of her, nevertheless. she could have also been insulted for being a bicolana who cannot speak correct English. but you just have to swallow and understand. typical Filipino. *sigh*
again, it was the wordplay. unfortunately, cebuano was the example used. which i do not blame her as i believe it is the widest used dialect next to tagalog.
Regarding the proving thing, I didn't get your point prior to my posting. :-) kasi kapag sinabi mong proved, parang it denotes something active or just completed? i dont know. pero if proven ang ginamit mo, it's more of a description of what she is -- a winner. :-) ah basta, can't explain. nevertheless, both are acceptable naman. i misunderstood. sowee!
wow haba ng balitaktakan dito about Gloria hehe