The title says it all.. Mapa-news man o miscellaneous.
1. GMA is always portrayed as the villain by the extremist Noynoy supporters.
2. Wang wang issue. Ano ang ginagawa ni Noynoy about the heavy traffic issue then?
3. Kris Aquino. (and James Yap hiwalayan) bleh!
4. Ang maagang pambabatikos kay Noynoy. Hindi pa nga naipoproklama, tadtad na.
5. The tabbaco issue ni Noy.
6. Jejemons. Halos hindi ko na nga to nakikita e.. puro mga manggagaya na lang.
reproductive health bill...
1. Yung mga nirereport na patayan, aksidente, sunog, etc (minsan nakakatakot manood ng news ;D)
2. Politics & Government ng pinas as a whole like mga batikos, propagandas, etc.
1. As usual, the church meddling with politics.
2. Kapamilya vs Kapuso
3. Kris
getting the former president to trial is one proof that noy is serious with his campaign.. always start with the big fish. then you know the small ones would not stand a chance.
kris marriage problem is not an issue. its not of national concern. we just need some entertainment to lighten up our mood from all the stress we get from other sources. something to talk about.. something light and would not give it much thought.
people who speak out - we can never run out of these people. they always have something to say. and as the saying goes, you cannot please everyone. There are always at least 2 choices and you only have to pick one. no gray areas.
RH bill and church meddling with each other, each having their own campaign. both parties have to make a stand. it just sucks if you are in-between.
wang-wang policy - this has been in the law. what they are doing now is implementing it. dont we want it? looking at the bigger picture, it is disciplining the people and apprehending the violators.
for all those murders, rape and other heinous crimes, petty theft and all other police-related concerns, it is just an effect of our poverty and once again discipline.
and for every other issue that will come out, just need to take a side. you will then understand how others get going as well.
bad trip ako sa issues ngayon na dagdagan pa ng isang taon ang pag-aaral ... e trabaho nga di na mabigay bat patatagalin pa pag-aaral gastos to sa mga magulang... tumatakas lang talaga sa tunay na issue at naghahanap ng masisisi
that i should have a girlfriend kasi mahirap na daw kapag matanda na mag-aasawa at para ma-enjoy ang buhay kasama mga anak. true, pero dadating din yan. masyado lang sila excited lang para sakin ;D
Quote from: solomon on July 14, 2010, 12:48:59 PM
that i should have a girlfriend kasi mahirap na daw kapag matanda na mag-aasawa at para ma-enjoy ang buhay kasama mga anak. true, pero dadating din yan. masyado lang sila excited lang para sakin ;D
ako hanggang ngayon ganyan pa din ang issue ;D akala nila pressured ako ;D
eto pathetic reason din IMHO, nag-asawa na sila kasi ayaw nila maging malayo ang age gap nila sa panganay na anak. Gusto nila yung parang barkada lang ang turingan. For me mababaw na reason yun para magasawa na.
Marriage is very sacred to two partners who are in love with or without children. Paano pala nalaman mo baog yung napangasawa mo, hihiwalayan mo after kasi di ka mabigyan ng anak
so marriage is an issue we get fed up with? hahahaha. just like pinoybrusko, do not get pressured. enjoy and live the single life. if you are bound for spinsterhood, then so be it. it was partly by choice.
Quote from: angelo on July 20, 2010, 02:32:38 AM
so marriage is an issue we get fed up with? hahahaha. just like pinoybrusko, do not get pressured. enjoy and live the single life. if you are bound for spinsterhood, then so be it. it was partly by choice.
not the marriage but the pressure given to you by your family and close friends. Magasawa ka na baka magka prostate cancer ka hahaha.
Sinabi ko na sa taas na pwedeng mapa-news man o miscellaneous..
Pwedeng of national concern, or just small, everyday issues..
yung pagbatikos kay Noynoy ::) let's move on tapos na ang election ;D
^^ hindi dapat natatapos ang pagbabatikos sa maling gawain.. bow... hehehe.. ;D
batikos or critisism has its place.... minsan you just have to move on and just do the work.... were not born to criticize ... i think we just have to remind one another of our faults....
^^ well, there are two kinds of criticism... mine is constructive.
Quote from: judE_Law on August 15, 2010, 06:45:37 PM
^^ well, there are two kinds of criticism... mine is constructive.
good ;D
CORRUPTION!!!
politics! ;D
yung jejemon at text speak.sakit sa mata.
Jueteng
matuwid na daan... asaan????????????????
I'm so fed with Pnoy and his supporters endlessly bashing PGMA.
Quote from: fox69 on September 21, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 18, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
I'm so fed with Pnoy and his supporters endlessly bashing PGMA.
me too...can he just do his job without blaming the previous administration? okay, PGMA's term as president was corrupt, inefficient, inutile, etc etc...and what will he do now? always refer to the previous administration's mistakes?
marami pa din kasi fox ang hinde nakakaalam na corrupt ang PGMA administration. Yung bang nagbubulagbulagan at kailangan pang ipa-alala always para mahimasmasan hehehe
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 22, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: fox69 on September 21, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 18, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
I'm so fed with Pnoy and his supporters endlessly bashing PGMA.
me too...can he just do his job without blaming the previous administration? okay, PGMA's term as president was corrupt, inefficient, inutile, etc etc...and what will he do now? always refer to the previous administration's mistakes?
Agree. Puro imbestigasyon...poor developments.
marami pa din kasi fox ang hinde nakakaalam na corrupt ang PGMA administration. Yung bang nagbubulagbulagan at kailangan pang ipa-alala always para mahimasmasan hehehe
@brusko
I think with the publicity during the campaign period about corruption especially during the previous administration, it is already enough that the people know corruption has been rampant. Bashing PGMA with her corruption DOES NOT actually help a lot with our recent problems. Nagpapapogi lang yang si PNoy.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 22, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: fox69 on September 21, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 18, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
I'm so fed with Pnoy and his supporters endlessly bashing PGMA.
me too...can he just do his job without blaming the previous administration? okay, PGMA's term as president was corrupt, inefficient, inutile, etc etc...and what will he do now? always refer to the previous administration's mistakes?
marami pa din kasi fox ang hinde nakakaalam na corrupt ang PGMA administration. Yung bang nagbubulagbulagan at kailangan pang ipa-alala always para mahimasmasan hehehe
haha.. mas marami ang nagde-delusyon... may mga mata pero hindi naman talaga nakakakita.. may mga tenga pero hindi talaga nakikinig..
ang problema kasi sa atin.. may mang-akusa naniniwala na agad tayo.. tinanong ba natin o hinanapan ba natin ng ebidensiya yung nag-aakusa? kung meron mang matibay na ebidensiya bakit hindi nila isampa sa korte? siyempre sunod na sasabihin niyo kakampi ni gma ang korte.. kaya anong ginawa.. nagtayo ng truth commission.. endless accusation... just to demonize the previous administration.. sabagay may pinatunguhan naman eh.. naging pangulo si Noy, naging senador si Trillanes, naging senador si Chiz, tinalo nga lang ni Abalos yung "P.I." ni Mar sa Makati hehehe..... minsan talaga kailangan madaldal ka sa harap ng camera.. hindi kailangang maging totoo ang pang-aakusa mo.. after all.. its media mileage.. hindi ka makikilala kung tahimik ka lang. kailangan mag-grandstanding!
In fairness naman jude, I do think too that PGMA and her administration was marked by corruption. Sino bang presidente, mild or severe, ang hindi corrupt? I am really just fed up with the bashing's sa kanya, and yes, yung pagpapapogi ni Pnoy just to set a stark contrast to what the people did not like about the previous administration.
siguro kailangan lang talaga ng "benchmark"
we always have to compare to know if the Philippines is in a better state or not. better than WHAT?
so as expected, it will go back to the previous presidency for comparison. just like when GMA took over, ERAP was seen as corrupt and GMA is a lot cleaner and more honest, not taking away more "utak".
Yes, naniniwala naman akong mabuti ang mga presidente. madumi lang talaga ang mga ibaba. pero since sila ang presidente, sila ang dapat umako ng anumang kontrobersya.
hindi ba frustrating din yung mga walang tigil ang pag-rarally? epekto siguro ng demokrasya.
Quote from: judE_Law on September 26, 2010, 11:38:48 AM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 22, 2010, 11:24:28 AM
Quote from: fox69 on September 21, 2010, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: ctan on September 18, 2010, 10:57:44 PM
I'm so fed with Pnoy and his supporters endlessly bashing PGMA.
me too...can he just do his job without blaming the previous administration? okay, PGMA's term as president was corrupt, inefficient, inutile, etc etc...and what will he do now? always refer to the previous administration's mistakes?
marami pa din kasi fox ang hinde nakakaalam na corrupt ang PGMA administration. Yung bang nagbubulagbulagan at kailangan pang ipa-alala always para mahimasmasan hehehe
haha.. mas marami ang nagde-delusyon... may mga mata pero hindi naman talaga nakakakita.. may mga tenga pero hindi talaga nakikinig..
ang problema kasi sa atin.. may mang-akusa naniniwala na agad tayo.. tinanong ba natin o hinanapan ba natin ng ebidensiya yung nag-aakusa? kung meron mang matibay na ebidensiya bakit hindi nila isampa sa korte? siyempre sunod na sasabihin niyo kakampi ni gma ang korte.. kaya anong ginawa.. nagtayo ng truth commission.. endless accusation... just to demonize the previous administration.. sabagay may pinatunguhan naman eh.. naging pangulo si Noy, naging senador si Trillanes, naging senador si Chiz, tinalo nga lang ni Abalos yung "P.I." ni Mar sa Makati hehehe..... minsan talaga kailangan madaldal ka sa harap ng camera.. hindi kailangang maging totoo ang pang-aakusa mo.. after all.. its media mileage.. hindi ka makikilala kung tahimik ka lang. kailangan mag-grandstanding!
babalik lahat sa inyo yan Jude kasi kayo ang nasa media di ba hehehe. Kami nanonood lang sa news at nagkakaroon ng idea kung bakit ganun si ganito at ganun si ganire. kayo ang nagrereport ng katotohanan. Kung hinde pala totoo ang nirereport sa media bakit pa ipapalabas sa tv? kung wala naman palang confirmation ung accusation bakit niyo irereport? for sure, maguguluhan lang ang manonood tuald ko na malayo sa pinas at sa news lang nakikibalita. for example, sa issue ng jueteng nagsalita si Oscar Cruz laban sa tumatanggap sa payola. Pinutok niyo ang issue sa taumbayan ng walang evidence ;D for sure, marami nakapanood nito at sira na ang pangalan ni puno at pnp chief na tumatanggap ng payola.
I know that it's quite straining to the eye if what we read here are long articles. But I guess this is worth sharing from "TransformNation".
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JUSTICE HELD HOSTAGE
In the past weeks, two incidents centering on the Philippine police caught the attention of international media. The Quirino Grandstand hostage crisis and the torture of a criminal suspect at the hands of local policemen. Major networks such as CNN and BBC followed the unfolding stories. Video clips related to the incidents proliferated on the internet and gave them global exposure. Not to be outdone, our local media–TV, radio, and newspapers—flooded their audiences with reports.
Ongoing investigations seek to resolve the question of who should bear the responsibility for the failed rescue operation that caused the death of eight foreign tourists. This was certainly not the first hostage-taking incident we have encountered, and it is not likely to be the last. The motivations and demands of the hostage-takers vary. But in a number of cases, the grievances that arose were similar in nature to those that drove Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza to a tragic decision.
This suggests that one major root of the problem is the dysfunction of our judicial system. In the millions of pending cases, from the barangay to the municipal court, to the regional trial court, to the court of appeals, and all the way to the Supreme Court, the slow-turning gears of justice have pushed people to the brink of despair. Stalled cases linger several years, some even several decades. Accused and accuser must bear the long wait. It is an even greater tragedy that only a few have the influence, power and connections to pursue their respective cases. This, already, is a gross injustice.
During the heat of the hostage-taking in Manila, another incident involving policemen occurred. Several local police were ambushed and killed by insurgents. The incident was not given much media attention except by provincial newspapers. The families of these policemen are poor, and it is not likely that they will see justice done any time soon.
Without trivializing the irreparable loss sustained by the foreign hostages and their families—without in any way playing down the grievous wrong committed by the hostage-taker against them—and without dismissing the tactical errors of the rescue operation—it is still necessary to see that demonizing all policemen is not the answer.
Although there is need to hold the responsible officials accountable and to deal more effectively with the next hostage crisis, a full resolution of the underlying problem requires the reformation of our justice system. Policemen have been hostage-takers, but policemen have also been victims. Both wronged policemen and hostages cry for justice in the prevailing system. Justice itself is held hostage. But by God's grace and through righteous leadership, justice may yet be liberated to benefit those to whom it is due.
dito pa lang makikita mo medyo bias ang media (no offense meant) bakit hinde nareport iyong pagambush sa police? kay CTAN ko lang narinig ito dito sa forum na ito. Ang pagpili ba ng topics na irereport sa media kailangan sa mga kilalang tao lang? like hostage crisis kasi maraming taong involve nito. Like ung pagkain ni Pnoy ng hotdog sa street sa US kailangan pa bang ireport iyon? anything sa galaw ni Pnoy nakikita ng media, kaya ang advisers ni Pnoy matatalino, gamitin na din ang media hehe ;D
pansin ko lang marami nangyayari sa mga OFW's pero bihira ang report sa kanila. ang makikita mo sa news puro aksidente, patayan, rape, abortion fetus, etc. wala na bang magandang balita? I'm fed up sa mga ganitong news. Sana yung magaganda naman para ma-motivate naman ang tao. Minsan nakakatakot na manood ng news ;D
^ true. media is biased. i hope there will be reformations in our media after the hostage probe.
jude and josh, you are media men. you have the power to help reform it
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 27, 2010, 06:59:43 PM
dito pa lang makikita mo medyo bias ang media (no offense meant) bakit hinde nareport iyong pagambush sa police? kay CTAN ko lang narinig ito dito sa forum na ito. Ang pagpili ba ng topics na irereport sa media kailangan sa mga kilalang tao lang? like hostage crisis kasi maraming taong involve nito. Like ung pagkain ni Pnoy ng hotdog sa street sa US kailangan pa bang ireport iyon? anything sa galaw ni Pnoy nakikita ng media, kaya ang advisers ni Pnoy matatalino, gamitin na din ang media hehe ;D
pansin ko lang marami nangyayari sa mga OFW's pero bihira ang report sa kanila. ang makikita mo sa news puro aksidente, patayan, rape, abortion fetus, etc. wala na bang magandang balita? I'm fed up sa mga ganitong news. Sana yung magaganda naman para ma-motivate naman ang tao. Minsan nakakatakot na manood ng news ;D
haha.. good thing you open it up... kung meron mang pangulo na nakaranas ng matinding pambabatikos yun ay wala ng iba kundi si Gloria.
ultimo nunal niya na nananahimik pinatulan ng mga oposisyon.. ultimo ang height niya hindi pinalampas..
i don't know kung anong news ang pinapanood mo.. pero as far as i know, may mga binabalita kaming good news.. to name some... charice's success and other pinoy's na succesful in their own field.. oliver tolentino, efren penaflorida,... well.. hindi ko na kailangang isa-isahin pa sayo o araw-araw ay sabihin kung ano mga good news na balita namin.. kasi mukha namang mas matimbang sayo yung mga crime news na sa ayaw mot sa gusto araw-araw na nangyayari sa Pilipinas. how can we just ignore the rising case of fetus na ina-abort? how can we just ignore a girl na na-gang rape? kung hindi namin ibabalita iyon, paano magiging aware, paano magiging alerto, paano magiging bukas ang isipan... di lamang ng mga tao kundi pati ng pamahalaan??????
pde naman i-report ang crime by statistics na lang para mas mahaba ang magagandang balita. Yung magagandang balita na sinasabi mo e lahat iyon related sa entertainment world singing, dancing, actors/actresses (kinasal na si mariel at robin hahaha paulit ulit pa in one week ito) etc hehehe. sana magandang balita naman sa politics, peace and order, science and technology, matatalinong students na nanalo abroad, matatalinong employees sa company, mga mahihirap na tao na pilit na nagsusurvive. yung nakakainspire sa manonood. Yung mas maraming magandang balita kesa sa crime. I mean 75% magandang balita overall and not the other way around. sa totoo lang, nakakatakot na manood ng news tapos paulit ulit pa eh na-ireport na iyon a week ago or two weeks ago binabago na lang ang angle ng interview e ganun pa din ang issue ;D
since nasa media ka, anong stand mo sa hostage crisis na involve ang media as per IIRC report. kung may media blackout baka iba ang naging kahinatnan ng hostage crisis, tama ba? what do you think of this?
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 29, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
pde naman i-report ang crime by statistics na lang para mas mahaba ang magagandang balita. Yung magagandang balita na sinasabi mo e lahat iyon related sa entertainment world singing, dancing, actors/actresses (kinasal na si mariel at robin hahaha paulit ulit pa in one week ito) etc hehehe. sana magandang balita naman sa politics, peace and order, science and technology, matatalinong students na nanalo abroad, matatalinong employees sa company, mga mahihirap na tao na pilit na nagsusurvive. yung nakakainspire sa manonood. Yung mas maraming magandang balita kesa sa crime. I mean 75% magandang balita overall and not the other way around. sa totoo lang, nakakatakot na manood ng news tapos paulit ulit pa eh na-ireport na iyon a week ago or two weeks ago binabago na lang ang angle ng interview e ganun pa din ang issue ;D
since nasa media ka, anong stand mo sa hostage crisis na involve ang media as per IIRC report. kung may media blackout baka iba ang naging kahinatnan ng hostage crisis, tama ba? what do you think of this?
ahhh.. baka naman hindi news ang hinahanap mo... rated K ang panoorin mo.. maraming good news at inspiring story dun.
about IIRC report.. wala pa akong masasabi... eh hindi pa nga isinasapubliko yung report ni Ngoy diba?
regarding kung may news blackout.. you can't say what will really happen.. i can't say na kung may news black-out, it will be the other way around..
ibabalik ko sayo ang tanong.. pinanood mo ba yung live na pangyayari nun? are you against it? are you glued in your seats while evrything unfolds? did you ever think kung sino ang dapat nandodoon ng mga oras na iyon? naniniwala ka ba na 'isolated case' lang yun gaya ng sinasabi ni Noy?
Quote from: carpediem on September 27, 2010, 09:32:52 PM
^ true. media is biased. i hope there will be reformations in our media after the hostage probe.
jude and josh, you are media men. you have the power to help reform it
there is the so-called sensationalism. after all, negosyo rin yan at kailangan nila kumita. though they align it along the lines of social responsibility.
Quote from: angelo on September 29, 2010, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: carpediem on September 27, 2010, 09:32:52 PM
^ true. media is biased. i hope there will be reformations in our media after the hostage probe.
jude and josh, you are media men. you have the power to help reform it
there is the so-called sensationalism. after all, negosyo rin yan at kailangan nila kumita. though they align it along the lines of social responsibility.
I agree...news are sometimes being sensationalized.... simple things going out of hand
just to give my views regarding the role of media.... dapat walang restrictions as far as coverage is concerned kasi di mo alam pwede mangyari.... but yung pag air nun sa tv ang pinaguusapan ng maayos with the boss of the news....we need to capture what needs to be captured with the guidelines to follow of course pero still papasok pa rin yung risk specially if its a good story.... ang hirap kasi marami sa atin gusto lang manood at manisi pagkatapos ...were afraid to get involved and get our hands dirty.... pag may nangyari na saka magsisisihan pero pag praise report di mapasalamatan ang dapat pasalamatan.... we as a people should also self regulate ourselves kung mali mali .... i choose to work as part of the team and not just a bystander and usi....
Quote from: joshgroban on September 30, 2010, 10:10:12 AM
just to give my views regarding the role of media.... dapat walang restrictions as far as coverage is concerned kasi di mo alam pwede mangyari.... but yung pag air nun sa tv ang pinaguusapan ng maayos with the boss of the news....we need to capture what needs to be captured with the guidelines to follow of course pero still papasok pa rin yung risk specially if its a good story.... ang hirap kasi marami sa atin gusto lang manood at manisi pagkatapos ...were afraid to get involved and get our hands dirty.... pag may nangyari na saka magsisisihan pero pag praise report di mapasalamatan ang dapat pasalamatan.... we as a people should also self regulate ourselves kung mali mali .... i choose to work as part of the team and not just a bystander and usi....
well said josh.
we deliver the news as it unfolds... in many instances.. our coverage regarding the 'hostage crisis' has been an eye opener to many people.
did you not see how our policemen responded to it? kung hindi naka-broadcast yun, malalaman ba natin na ang ating kapulisan were inadequately trained and equipped?
hindi ko sinasabi na walang pananagutan ang ilang media personality/ies.. but to put the blame on media aone is ridiculous! where in fact, its the mishandling of the situation that caused this to happen.
^ depinitli.
ultimo mga respective protocols para sa specific event na yun, di na nagawa e.
True that media is not the only one responsible of the botched rescue attempt, but it is a fact that media played a major role of screwing it up.
News Media reports the news. News Media should not be the news.
http://antipinoy.com/philippine-media-knocked-off-their-lofty-pedestal-by-their-own-greediness/ (http://antipinoy.com/philippine-media-knocked-off-their-lofty-pedestal-by-their-own-greediness/)
Meddlesome Church...
Oh I already said that in my July 12 post. ::)
Quote from: judE_Law on September 29, 2010, 08:03:41 PM
Quote from: pinoybrusko on September 29, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
pde naman i-report ang crime by statistics na lang para mas mahaba ang magagandang balita. Yung magagandang balita na sinasabi mo e lahat iyon related sa entertainment world singing, dancing, actors/actresses (kinasal na si mariel at robin hahaha paulit ulit pa in one week ito) etc hehehe. sana magandang balita naman sa politics, peace and order, science and technology, matatalinong students na nanalo abroad, matatalinong employees sa company, mga mahihirap na tao na pilit na nagsusurvive. yung nakakainspire sa manonood. Yung mas maraming magandang balita kesa sa crime. I mean 75% magandang balita overall and not the other way around. sa totoo lang, nakakatakot na manood ng news tapos paulit ulit pa eh na-ireport na iyon a week ago or two weeks ago binabago na lang ang angle ng interview e ganun pa din ang issue ;D
since nasa media ka, anong stand mo sa hostage crisis na involve ang media as per IIRC report. kung may media blackout baka iba ang naging kahinatnan ng hostage crisis, tama ba? what do you think of this?
ahhh.. baka naman hindi news ang hinahanap mo... rated K ang panoorin mo.. maraming good news at inspiring story dun.
about IIRC report.. wala pa akong masasabi... eh hindi pa nga isinasapubliko yung report ni Ngoy diba?
regarding kung may news blackout.. you can't say what will really happen.. i can't say na kung may news black-out, it will be the other way around..
ibabalik ko sayo ang tanong.. pinanood mo ba yung live na pangyayari nun? are you against it? are you glued in your seats while evrything unfolds? did you ever think kung sino ang dapat nandodoon ng mga oras na iyon? naniniwala ka ba na 'isolated case' lang yun gaya ng sinasabi ni Noy?
yes maybe you're right hinde news ang hanap ko kasi I'm looking for good news na may sense. Mas pabor pa ako panoorin ang rated K kesa sa mga news ;D Nowadays, news are more than 75% about crime- patayan, aksidente, hit and run, robbery, suicide, etc. Sa mga estudyante, these news are shocking and could lead to negative impact. As I said, news should be balanced with good or bad and better if good is far more higher than bad. Also, dapat hinde sensationalize ang news at hinde paulit ulit. wala na ba maireport kaya paulit ulit ang issue? hehehe
with regards to IIRC, hinde lang naman ang media ang may kasalanan, ang daming personalidad na kasali so don't think it is blamed on media alone. haller! ;D
^^haha.. thanks sa pagsagot sa mga tanong ko.. nasagot nga ba? ;D
Senator Legarda's stand on IIRC's report:
Tinutulan ni senator loren legarda ang rekomendasyon ng iirc na kasuhan ang ilang media outlets at personalities kaugnay ng nakaraang hostage crisis. Tutoo anya na may kontrol pa rin ang gobyerno pagdating sa regulation ng broadcasting franchise ng mga local tv stations pero hindi ginamit ng pamahalaan at mga ahensya ang karapatang ito sa paggabay sa coverage ng telebisyon sa trahedya. Dapat daw agaran nang nag-isyu ng direktiba o advisory ang gobyerno sa media sa limitasyon ng coverage.Pinaalala niya, ang pamahalaan, gayundin ang police organization, ang may overall na responsibilidad sa insidente.
^ There should be self-restraint. You do not need government to issue a blackout before you stop.
Consider the case of the kidnapping of Ces Drilon, didn't ABS-CBN hold all media from reporting the story? Did the government have to issue a blackout? If "dapat walang restrictions as far as coverage is concerned", e di dapat nireport din agad yun diba? Isn't it a bit hypocritical why the two similar situations were treated differently? Dahil ba walang media personality sa Quirino Grandstand Hostage?
Hindi ko sana gusto magcomment kasi I'm not an expert naman on the topic pero since I have things in my mind to say, let me participate na lang din. :-) Hehehe!
About the IIRC report on media's part:
Sa akin, I think iba yung scenario on Ces' kidnapping mishap and the Quirino hostage taking. Yung kay Ces, napakatagal ng event, it went on for days. The media can't air a real-time blow by blow account of what has happened because of the nature of the crime. But I do think the kidnapping was not concealed from the public and even the news on its development. We knew what generally happened as another day unfolded. Regarding the Quirino hostage taking, it was characterized by unpredictable events that could happen anytime. Nakita ng media that people are glued to it kasi para kang nanonood ng suspense-action film in real action. So basically for me, the two were quite different from each other.
However, for me, the media indeed should have used proper discretion on when to air and not. Earlier during the day, they knew that the hostage taker ay nanonood ng TV sa loob ng bus and that nanonood siya ng live coverage ng media. Moreover, dahil sa napanood ng criminal, his aggressive actions were aggravated by the news that he was watching. Dun pa lang, media should have properly behaved. They can report and be true and free media men but not to the point of risking security/safety of the hostage takers. After all, there should still be ethics in every action all people do.
About the bad news vs good news:
I agree that sometimes, people need good news. Pero what's of more concern, and I believe this is one of media's primary role, is that they exist to make the public aware, alert, and be socially informed of what really is happening around. Imagine this, if media won't report na may mga criminals na nag-hoholdup sa isang lugar, would people be wary about going to that place kung hindi nila malalaman? Would they be extra careful? What if hindi nairereport ang mga batang inaabuso? Would we know these things are rampant? How then can you show concern and be socially participative in these aspects? So I guess, it's just right that these things are being reported. After all, may mga good news din namang nairereport ang media today.
Quote from: carpediem on October 02, 2010, 02:20:26 PM
^ There should be self-restraint. You do not need government to issue a blackout before you stop.
Consider the case of the kidnapping of Ces Drilon, didn't ABS-CBN hold all media from reporting the story? Did the government have to issue a blackout? If "dapat walang restrictions as far as coverage is concerned", e di dapat nireport din agad yun diba? Isn't it a bit hypocritical why the two similar situations were treated differently? Dahil ba walang media personality sa Quirino Grandstand Hostage?
i do not want to sound bias pero i have to say this..
kung walang self-restraint ang media, eh di sana pumayag na kami na pumunta sa loob ng bus nung time na humihingi ng media si mendoza? although i must admit na merong ilang media personality na nagkukumahog maka-scoop.. for what? para sa kanilang sariling interes.
napanood niyo, nakita niyo ng live.. and that's our purpose, ipakita sa inyo ang isang malaking istorya na nangyayari.
sabi nga ni Ctan unpredictable ang mga pwedeng mangyari... tumakbo ng 11 long hours ang hostage taking may nagbawal ba sa Media? may nagdirekta ba ng 'news black-out'? fact is, yung mga government officials, kampante pa sa mga kaliwa't kanang interviews sa telebisyon, sa radyo.. how do you expect us(media) to behave on this?
i hope maintindihan niyo ang role ng media dito...
"20 PLUS FOREIGNERS HELD HOSTAGE ON A TOURIST BUS IN QUIRINO GRANDSTAND" -kami the moment we received the initial infos alam na namin kung gaano kalaki ang istorya na ito.. ewan ko lang sa gobyerno at pulisya.. 'isolated' lang daw eh.. kung lahat ng nangyayari ay isolated sa kanila, hindi na ako magtataka na pagkatapos ng pangyayaring iyon ay maninisi sila.
regarding Ces Drilon.. nasagot na ni Ctan. thanks Doc!
On Ces Drilon. It was concealed at first, even ABS-CBN admitted there was a blackout. And because as ctan said the case went on for days, it was inevitable that it be revealed to the public.
Why is it needed to be ordered from the top first? Is media so immature and mischievous like a child who needs to be restrained by their parents? Or is it because of the attitude, "other children are doing it anyway, I'll only stop when others stop."
Fact is, media could show it after the incident, and not live. By airing it live, the hostage taker was agitated, and hostages' lives were put at risk. Were the news watcher's interest more important than the hostages' lives? Or maybe ratings was even more important?
Quote from: judE_Law on October 02, 2010, 12:48:13 PM
^^haha.. thanks sa pagsagot sa mga tanong ko.. nasagot nga ba? ;D
Senator Legarda's stand on IIRC's report:
Tinutulan ni senator loren legarda ang rekomendasyon ng iirc na kasuhan ang ilang media outlets at personalities kaugnay ng nakaraang hostage crisis. Tutoo anya na may kontrol pa rin ang gobyerno pagdating sa regulation ng broadcasting franchise ng mga local tv stations pero hindi ginamit ng pamahalaan at mga ahensya ang karapatang ito sa paggabay sa coverage ng telebisyon sa trahedya. Dapat daw agaran nang nag-isyu ng direktiba o advisory ang gobyerno sa media sa limitasyon ng coverage.Pinaalala niya, ang pamahalaan, gayundin ang police organization, ang may overall na responsibilidad sa insidente.
so fan ka na din ni Legarda because of this? hehehe ;D
Quote from: carpediem on October 02, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
On Ces Drilon. It was concealed at first, even ABS-CBN admitted there was a blackout. And because as ctan said the case went on for days, it was inevitable that it be revealed to the public.
Why is it needed to be ordered from the top first? Is media so immature and mischievous like a child who needs to be restrained by their parents? Or is it because of the attitude, "other children are doing it anyway, I'll only stop when others stop."
Fact is, media could show it after the incident, and not live. By airing it live, the hostage taker was agitated, and hostages' lives were put at risk. Were the news watcher's interest more important than the hostages' lives? Or maybe ratings was even more important?
hahaha baka ratings are far more important than people's lives na. Yung mga patayan, aksidente, all types of crimes normal na lang sa araw araw ng buhay na nababalita sa news. Kung gusto lang naman talaga iinform ang tao about na nangyayari sa kalye maraming ganyang issues dati pa simula pa ng hinde pa tayo pinapanganak andyan na ang crimes sa Pinas. Wala ng magbabago dun at alam na ng tao iyan. Sabi ko nga paulit ulit na lang. Naging aware na ang mga tao sa crimes kaya pati mga teenagers malalakas na ang loob gumawa ng mga crimes ngayon kasi malalagay sila sa TV kasi puro ganun ang balita ;D. Anong awareness pa ang kailangan ng tao? :D may magandang balita nga naman si Charice makikita na sa palabas na Glee ;D big deal ba? hehehe. It's her job as a singer and actress. Bakit yung mga magagaling na pinoy sa ibang bansa sa larangan ng science, technology, etc hinde nababalita? puro entertainment at boxing legend Pacquiao ;D nakakasawa na
with regards to hostage taking ;D IIRC result is not bias. They provide fair and just judgement.
just to make it clear... talent namin si ces at kapamilya.... sino ba dapat maging concern una... di ba kami.... bat namin ipapangalandakan yung news na ito kung at stake ang buhay nya.... dun sa hongkong hostages ... mali nga siguro kami na nilabas yun sa ere pero malay ba naman namin na may tv yung mokong na yun sa loob ng bus.... lumapit yung kapatid sa media simpy because alam nya sa media di sya magagalaw.... o kung may mangyari man alam kung sino ang kumuha sa kanya... this is not the time to point our fingers... media is media pa rin mahirap basta pigilan parang instinct na yan e... ang tanong instinct din ba ng mga pulis at pulitiko na tumulong.... sana di na tumagal ng ganun ang negotiation kung may consultation na naganap among the authorities....
Quote from: carpediem on October 02, 2010, 05:37:23 PM
On Ces Drilon. It was concealed at first, even ABS-CBN admitted there was a blackout. And because as ctan said the case went on for days, it was inevitable that it be revealed to the public.
Why is it needed to be ordered from the top first? Is media so immature and mischievous like a child who needs to be restrained by their parents? Or is it because of the attitude, "other children are doing it anyway, I'll only stop when others stop."
Fact is, media could show it after the incident, and not live. By airing it live, the hostage taker was agitated, and hostages' lives were put at risk. Were the news watcher's interest more important than the hostages' lives? Or maybe ratings was even more important?
of course it should be ordered from the top first!!
kanya-kanya na lang ba tayo? wala na bang batas na dapat sundin? pano namin malalaman na lumalampas na kami sa linyang itinakda ng pamahalaan kung hindi kami gagabayan ng pamahalaan?????? kami pa ba ang magtuturo sa pamahalaan kung ano ang gagawin namin pag may hostage crisis? eh di kami na lang ang maging gobyerno.
sino ba ang nagpapatupad ng batas? naipatupad ba ito ng mga panahong iyon? alam pala nila na pwedeng maka-apekto ang coverage ng media.. eh bakit hindi nila pinagbawalan ang media sa loob ng labing-isang oras na hostage crisis? again.. sinasabi ko.. masyado kasing minaliit ng gobyerno at ng pulisya ang sitwasyon. at isa yun sa dahilan kung bakit nangyari ito.
sige, sabihin mo nga anong oras dapat ipalabas sa telebisyon ang isang mahal;agang nangyayari? nang atakihin ba ng mga terorista ang world trade sa amerika hindi rin ba dapat i-broadcast ng live dahil yung pamilya ng mga biktima na naipit sa world trade eh posibleng mag-worry ng husto at posibleng atakihin sa puso at ikamatay?
hindi lang sa Pilipinas nangyayari ito... at 'wag sana tayong lumayo sa katotohanan na palpak na pagresponde ng pamahalaan ang siyang dahilan kung bakit nauwi sa trahedya ang lahat..
kung inisip niyo na bakit ipinakita sa telebisyon na inaaresto ang kapatid ng hostage taker.. inisip rin ba niyo o ng pulisya na maraming media sa paligid nila para arestuhin ito na maari namang gawin pagkatapos ng hostage crisis????
Pero sa tingin ko Jude, hindi nagamit ng media ang proper discretion at some point during the hostage crisis. Hindi naman kelangan na lahat may directive from the authorities especially on the aspect of discretion. Magiging puppet ang labas ng media nun. I believe that part of the ethical work of media is to know when is too much and when is enough. :-)
Quotetalent namin si ces at kapamilya.... sino ba dapat maging concern una... di ba kami
Exactly! Ang difference sa Quirino Grandstand hostage is walang media personality na nahostage.
Quoteof course it should be ordered from the top first!!
So wala nga discretion ang media like an immature child? Everything must be ordered from the top? You must always be told what to and what not to do?
Tell me, you, as a citizen. There are laws that govern you. You are also free to do anything you'd like, which may or may not be governed by law. But I suppose you won't do anything that is "unlawful" or "harmful" that is not explicitly specified by law. Why? Because you have
common sense. You do not need policemen na "nagpapatupad ng batas" to tell you not to do this and not to do that.
Quotenang atakihin ba ng mga terorista ang world trade sa amerika hindi rin ba dapat i-broadcast ng live dahil yung pamilya ng mga biktima na naipit sa world trade eh posibleng mag-worry ng husto at posibleng atakihin sa puso at ikamatay?
There's a difference. That was not a hostage event. That was an attack, and it had been done. Reporting it live won't put the victims in more danger.
I am not trying to defend the government or the police. They are also responsible for the failure and I am not downplaying that. They were already there since the hostage started. Media only came in during the latter part of the crisis.
I am just isolating the case of media, on the topic of discretion.
Quote from: carpediem on October 03, 2010, 11:34:32 AM
Quotetalent namin si ces at kapamilya.... sino ba dapat maging concern una... di ba kami
Exactly! Ang difference sa Quirino Grandstand hostage is walang media personality na nahostage.
Quoteof course it should be ordered from the top first!!
So wala nga discretion ang media like an immature child? Everything must be ordered from the top? You must always be told what to and what not to do?
Tell me, you, as a citizen. There are laws that govern you. You are also free to do anything you'd like, which may or may not be governed by law. But I suppose you won't do anything that is "unlawful" or "harmful" that is not explicitly specified by law. Why? Because you have common sense. You do not need policemen na "nagpapatupad ng batas" to tell you not to do this and not to do that.
Quotenang atakihin ba ng mga terorista ang world trade sa amerika hindi rin ba dapat i-broadcast ng live dahil yung pamilya ng mga biktima na naipit sa world trade eh posibleng mag-worry ng husto at posibleng atakihin sa puso at ikamatay?
There's a difference. That was not a hostage event. That was an attack, and it had been done. Reporting it live won't put the victims in more danger.
I am not trying to defend the government or the police. They are also responsible for the failure and I am not downplaying that. They were already there since the hostage started. Media only came in during the latter part of the crisis.
I am just isolating the case of media, on the topic of discretion.
carpediem.. iba-iba ang sitwasyon...
kung una palang hindi minaliit ng gobyerno ang 'hostage taking' sa quirino grandstand.. na-warningan na sana nila ang media.. tignan mo yung manila peninsula siege.. nag-utos si arroyo ng media black-out.. natapos ang stand-off ng hindi madugo.. at nakita mo naman na pati yung mga media doon inaresto diba?
saka pwede ba.. 'wag ang media ang pag-initan.. hindi kasalanan ng media na inutil ang rumesponde sa hostage crisis.. kahit daan-daang media coverage ang andun kung maayos ang responde ng pamahalaan maaring hindi ganun ang kinahinatnan nun.
ano ba sa tingin mo ang role ng media that time ng nangyayari ang hostage taking? 6:30pm karamihan ng mga news cast ng bansa ay umeere.. do you think hindi tama na ipakita namin na may nangyayaring hostage taking that time???
ano work mo carpediem? malayo ba sa field ng mass comm? kung sagot mo ay OO... hindi ko na kailangang mag-explain pa sayo.. i'm sorry, pero hindi mo rin kasi maiintindihan.
carpediem.. iba-iba ang sitwasyon...Indeed, Sept 11. and Quirino Grandstand hostage are different. And Ces Drilon's case is also "different" because a media personality was involved.
Quotekung una palang hindi minaliit ng gobyerno ang 'hostage taking' sa quirino grandstand.. na-warningan na sana nila ang media.. tignan mo yung manila peninsula siege.. nag-utos si arroyo ng media black-out.. natapos ang stand-off ng hindi madugo.. at nakita mo naman na pati yung mga media doon inaresto diba?
saka pwede ba.. 'wag ang media ang pag-initan.. hindi kasalanan ng media na inutil ang rumesponde sa hostage crisis.. kahit daan-daang media coverage ang andun kung maayos ang responde ng pamahalaan maaring hindi ganun ang kinahinatnan nun.
Again, I am not downplaying the fault of government and the police. As I've said, I am treating the case of media in isolation, meaning, taking all other factors like the government and the police as already given, what should be the role of media?
Quoteano ba sa tingin mo ang role ng media that time ng nangyayari ang hostage taking? 6:30pm karamihan ng mga news cast ng bansa ay umeere.. do you think hindi tama na ipakita namin na may nangyayaring hostage taking that time???
Discretion. You could report that there was a hostage taking. You could give the overall picture of the situation. But you didn't have to show it on live TV how the hostage taker's brother was being arrested, how the assault on the bus was being done.
Sigh. I guess that's the way it is. People won't accept faults.
Quote from: carpediem on October 03, 2010, 02:25:20 PM
carpediem.. iba-iba ang sitwasyon...
Indeed, Sept 11. and Quirino Grandstand hostage is different. And Ces Drilon's case is also "different" because a media personality is involved.
Quotekung una palang hindi minaliit ng gobyerno ang 'hostage taking' sa quirino grandstand.. na-warningan na sana nila ang media.. tignan mo yung manila peninsula siege.. nag-utos si arroyo ng media black-out.. natapos ang stand-off ng hindi madugo.. at nakita mo naman na pati yung mga media doon inaresto diba?
saka pwede ba.. 'wag ang media ang pag-initan.. hindi kasalanan ng media na inutil ang rumesponde sa hostage crisis.. kahit daan-daang media coverage ang andun kung maayos ang responde ng pamahalaan maaring hindi ganun ang kinahinatnan nun.
Again, I am not downplaying the fault of government and the police. As I've said, I am treating the case of media in isolation, meaning, taking all other factors like the government and the police as already given, what should be the role of media?
Quoteano ba sa tingin mo ang role ng media that time ng nangyayari ang hostage taking? 6:30pm karamihan ng mga news cast ng bansa ay umeere.. do you think hindi tama na ipakita namin na may nangyayaring hostage taking that time???
Discretion. You could report that there was a hostage taking. You could give the overall picture of the situation. But you don't have to show it on live TV how the hostage taker's brother was being arrested, how the assault on the bus was being done.
Sigh. I guess that's the way it is. People won't accept faults.
ulitin ko.. 6:30pm live broadcast ng mga news.. sa tingin mo hindi mabo-broadcast sa tv lahat ng movements that time?? if you are glued in your seats the whole day nung araw na yun.. siguro naman nakita mong regular programing pa rin if not all, most of the tv networks...
i agree that there are some personality/ies sa media na nagkamali sa ginawa nila... pero yung tungkol sa coverage.. wala akong nakikitang mali, at wala akong nakikitang nilabag unless, ipinag-utos ng pulisya o ng pangulo mismo na itigil ang coverage. at uulitin ko pa rin at bibigyan ng diin.. 11 hours ang hostage taking.. kung nung umaga palang pinagbawalan na ang media.. baka pa hindi nai-broadcast yung mga sinasabi mong hindi dapat. at inuulit ko ulit..
pwede namang arestuhin ang kapatid ng hostage taker pag tapos na ang hostage crisis.. alam naman pala nilang pwedeng ikagalit ng hostage taker yun eh, ginawa pa nila... at sa harap pa mismo ng media.. am sure alam din ng mga pulis na may tv sa loob ng bus.the problem kasi carpediem.. you are blaming (partly man o indirectly) the MEDIA ORGANIZATION.. where in fact.. meron lang individuals na dapat managot... you must understand na kapag may developing stories, breaking stories, ang media andun..
why do you think hinook ng live din ng cnn, al jazeera, bbc kung sila ay meron ganitong standard na bawal ring i-air? hindi mo talaga maiintindihan.. unless andito ka sa work namin.
Quoteulitin ko.. 6:30pm live broadcast ng mga news.. sa tingin mo hindi mabo-broadcast sa tv lahat ng movements that time??
So yun nga, like an immature child saying that "
Other children are doing it anyway, so why should I not do it?"
Quotei agree that there are some personality/ies sa media na nagkamali sa ginawa nila... pero yung tungkol sa coverage.. wala akong nakikitang mali, at wala akong nakikitang nilabag unless, ipinag-utos ng pulisya o ng pangulo mismo na itigil ang coverage. at uulitin ko pa rin at bibigyan ng diin.. 11 hours ang hostage taking.. kung nung umaga palang pinagbawalan na ang media.. baka pa hindi nai-broadcast yung mga sinasabi mong hindi dapat. at inuulit ko ulit.. pwede namang arestuhin ang kapatid ng hostage taker pag tapos na ang hostage crisis.. alam naman pala nilang pwedeng ikagalit ng hostage taker yun eh, ginawa pa nila... at sa harap pa mismo ng media.. am sure alam din ng mga pulis na may tv sa loob ng bus.
the problem kasi carpediem.. you are blaming (partly man o indirectly) the MEDIA ORGANIZATION.. where in fact.. meron lang individuals na dapat managot... you must understand na kapag may developing stories, breaking stories, ang media andun..
As I've said I never blame media as the only one responsible for the failure. And I have clearly pointed out that I am treating the case of media in isolation, given the fact that the other bodies that must be responsible (e.g. government and police) were already at fault.
Quotewhy do you think hinook ng live din ng cnn, al jazeera, bbc kung sila ay meron ganitong standard na bawal ring i-air?
Because local media was already showing it. ::)
Let me ask this question, if you could go back in time, would you do the same, showing it live? If not, then that means you know you have fault. If the answer is still yes, then, well, I rest my case. Ratings are more important indeed.
Jude, hinde lang naman media ang may kasalanan dito pati yung kapulisan, DILG at ibang concerned groups ng pamahalaan at personalities kasali din dito. The way you explain it, parang media lang ang sinisisi dito ;D
don't worry, di ka kasali sa IIRC report. wala ka naman dun sa hostage crisis incident hehehe
Bottomline here is that media has played its part in what seems to be the most tragic hostage crisis in the Philippines. And lesson learned is that discretion is something not mandated, but is something innate and natural. :-)
Quote from: ctan on October 03, 2010, 06:08:30 PM
Bottomline here is that media has played its part in what seems to be the most tragic hostage crisis in the Philippines. And lesson learned is that discretion is something not mandated, but is something innate and natural. :-)
nadale mo!
carpediem.. kung mangyari man ulit iyon.. ico-cover at ico-cover pa rin namin ang istorya na yun!
ikaw ba ng napapanood mo iyon.. naisip mo ba na patayin ang telebisyon mo o glued ka rin sa panonood ng mga pangyayari?
Quotecarpediem.. kung mangyari man ulit iyon.. ico-cover at ico-cover pa rin namin ang istorya na yun!
Pwede naman after diba?
Quoteikaw ba ng napapanood mo iyon.. naisip mo ba na patayin ang telebisyon mo o glued ka rin sa panonood ng mga pangyayari?
I see some false reasoning coming up. So what kung glued ang mga tao? Di na pwede istop yung reporting? It's like saying it is okay to continue selling drugs since people are addicted to them. Sorry for the analogy, it does not match properly, but I think it serves to show my point.
possible excommunication ni noy. blah blah
Quote from: carpediem on October 04, 2010, 08:18:12 PM
Quotecarpediem.. kung mangyari man ulit iyon.. ico-cover at ico-cover pa rin namin ang istorya na yun!
Pwede naman after diba?
Quoteikaw ba ng napapanood mo iyon.. naisip mo ba na patayin ang telebisyon mo o glued ka rin sa panonood ng mga pangyayari?
I see some false reasoning coming up. So what kung glued ang mga tao? Di na pwede istop yung reporting? It's like saying it is okay to continue selling drugs since people are addicted to them. Sorry for the analogy, it does not match properly, but I think it serves to show my point.
pwede naman after? you gotta be kidding.. hindi iyon lindol..
its a developing story! you'll never know what will happen next.. sadly, tragic ang katapusan.
^ sigh, 2 months after the incident. just read the IIRC report
Here's the Broadcast Code of KBP, as outlined in the report
Crime and Crisis Situations
Sec. 1. The coverage of crimes in progress or crisis situations such as hostage-taking or kidnapping shall not put lives in greater danger than what is already inherent in the situation. Such coverage should be restrained and care should be taken so as not to hinder or obstruct efforts of authorities to resolve the situation.
Sec. 2. A coverage should avoid inflicting undue shock and pain to families and loved ones of victims of crimes, crisis situations, disasters, accidents, and other tragedies.
Sec. 3. The identity of victims of crimes or crisis situations in progress shall not be announced until the situation has been resolved or their names have been released by the authorities. The names of fatalities should be aired only when their next of kin have been notified or their names released, by the authorities.
Sec. 4. The coverage of crime or crisis situations shall not provide vital information or offer comfort or support to the perpetrators.
Sec. 5. Stations are encouraged to adopt standard operating procedures (SOP's) consistent with this Code to govern the conduct of their news personnel during the coverage of crime and crisis situations.
^sadly, this Code applies only to all TV and Radio Stations that are member of KBP. in case you don't know, GMA 7 is no longer a member of KBP and inside sources says that at the height of the hostage crisis the news that the hostage taker is watching inside the bus is 24 oras. so pano papanagutin ng KBP ang hindi naman niya miyembro kung talagang may nilabag siyang ginawa?
again, inuulit ko.. hindi maikakaila na may ilang personalidad sa media ang talagang masasabing lumabag di lamang sa Code ng KBP kundi pati na rin sa batas.. pero, hindi dapat lahatin.
hanggat walang inilalabas na guidelines ang Gobyerno sa kung paano dapat iko-cover ang isang sitwasyon gaya ng nangyaring hostage crisis, walang sinuman na makapagsasabi ng kung hanggang saan dapat i-cover ang balita kundi sa pamunuan mismo ng media na kinaaaniban nito.
Palace nixes mandatory news blackout during crisis situationsJAM L. SISANTE
08/31/2010 | 03:35 PM
Share Malacañang is not keen on supporting a proposal in Congress to automatically impose news blackouts during crisis situations despite criticisms of the media's live coverage of the Aug. 23 Manila hostage tragedy that left eight Hong Kong tourists dead.
At a press conference Tuesday, Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning head Ricky Carandang said the government still considers the imposition of news blackouts as a "last resort" applicable only in "extreme cases."
"As you saw we were hesitant to impose news blackouts last time around," said Carandang, a broadcast journalist prior to his appointment to government.
Malacañang did not impose a news blackout during the daylong hostage drama, although President Benigno Aquino III later said the media coverage may have "severely hampered" police operations because the hostage-taker, former Senior Inspector Rolando Mendoza, had monitored the movements of the police through television and radio news.
At least two journalists had also communicated with Mendoza through mobile phone during the hostage crisis.
Media rights, responsibility
Carandang said although the media has a responsibility to report such events, a gray area remains on how far such rights can be extended.
"I still believe that the media has a responsibility and a right to report on events like that. My question is, how far do those rights extend? And at this point we're not talking about a media blackout," he said.
A day after the hostage tragedy, Cebu Rep. Luis Quisumbing filed House Bill No. 2737 proposing the imposition of a news blackout during crisis situations.
The proposed measure prohibits media personnel from reporting positions, movements and actions of the police and military during hostage-taking situations and other similar incidents like bomb threats, coup d' etat, and kidnapping.
Quisumbing has insisted his bill does not aim to curtail press freedom. "Our bill guarantees that once the crisis is settled, media will have full access to information about the police or military operations and coverage shall not be restricted."
Article III, Section 4 of the 1987 Constitution states that "No law shall be passed abridging the freedom of speech, of expression, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and petition the government for redress of grievances."
The Center for Media Freedom and Responsibility (CMFR) has urged media organizations to reject proposals to legislate mandatory news blackouts, but asked them to regulate their own ranks during sensitive situations.
"No matter how seemingly well meaning, in the Philippine experience, such bills end up covering more than they originally intended. With public support... such bills will take on lives of their own, and are likely to end up imposing greater restrictions on press freedom itself," the group said.
^ again, just read the IIRC report
"This is not to say that media is free from responsibility because there are ethical rules and guidelines that they should have observed when it became evident that what was being covered and aired were tactical details. Self-restraint or self-regulation by the media outlets concerned should have been observed."
obvious naman lahat may na-contribute to the sad ending. natapos na yan. sana lang natuto ang lahat.
ang masaklap kasi kapag nauulit ang mali.
Quote from: angelo on October 25, 2010, 10:17:39 AM
obvious naman lahat may na-contribute to the sad ending. natapos na yan. sana lang natuto ang lahat.
ang masaklap kasi kapag nauulit ang mali.
paano pag naulit? ;D walang sisihan pa din?
Quote from: carpediem on October 24, 2010, 09:52:32 PM
^ again, just read the IIRC report
"This is not to say that media is free from responsibility because there are ethical rules and guidelines that they should have observed when it became evident that what was being covered and aired were tactical details. Self-restraint or self-regulation by the media outlets concerned should have been observed."
the question is.. ano yung self restraint na yun? hanggang saan? walang maibigay ang gobyerno.. so when media put it in their hands, sinong may karapatang magsabi sa kanila na lumalabag na sila kung ang sinasabi eh self restraint or self regulation? kung ang tingin ng media ay dapat lang na ipakita yung mahalagang istorya ng nangyayari?? you don't get it carpediem.. ang solusyon lang naman talaga, gumawa dapat ang gobyerno ng malinaw na batas kaugnay ng media coverage.. at hindi darating yung punto na sisisihin ulit ang media pag pumalpak ang operasyon nila.
^ lol you are the one not getting it. It wouldn't be called self-restraint if the goverment has to dictate it. Kaya nga may "self" sa self-restraint and self-regulation e. Tsaka, sinisi ba lahat sa media?
The questions is, kapag umulit ang insidente, magkakaroon ba ng self-restraint? Well according to your previous post, ganun parin mangyayari kasi walang batas para sa media coverage.
Sabi nga ni bursko, paano pag naulit? walang sisihan pa din?
dapat hindi na nauulit. katangahan na talaga ang tawag doon.
may mali. dapat naitama na.
Quote from: carpediem on October 25, 2010, 08:41:49 PM
^ lol you are the one not getting it. It wouldn't be called self-restraint if the goverment has to dictate it. Kaya nga may "self" sa self-restraint and self-regulation e. Tsaka, sinisi ba lahat sa media?
The questions is, kapag umulit ang insidente, magkakaroon ba ng self-restraint? Well according to your previous post, ganun parin mangyayari kasi walang batas para sa media coverage.
Sabi nga ni bursko, paano pag naulit? walang sisihan pa din?
haha.. how would you explain self restraint??? if the media thinks that at that moment of time ay may self regulation o restraint naman sa team nila? if the government at that time sa tingin niya na nalalabag na yung code na pino-point out mo.. bakit hindi sila gumagawa ng aksiyon? kasi nga self restraint diba?? you'll never know/understand the other side of the story. don't you think its better na nag-utos ang gobyerno ng news blackout? kesa hayaang mag self regulate ang media? hindi ba mas mainam na lahat ng media ay may sinusunod na iisang batayan pagdating sa mga ganung coverage? kesa pagtalunan ulit sa imbestigasyon kung lumabag ba o hindi ang media?
Quotedon't you think its better na nag-utos ang gobyerno ng news blackout? kesa hayaang mag self regulate ang media?
I said from the start that the government is not without blame. In fact from the beginning mali na sila.
I am just taking the case of media, with the incompetence of goverment and police
as a given.
Quotehow would you explain self restraint??? if the media thinks that at that moment of time ay may self regulation o restraint naman sa team nila?
Common sense. If media thought that they had self regulation or restraint, then walang common sense ang media.
Kung mauulit ang the same situation, given the same incompetence of the goverment and police such that there were no orders to control media, and media would still do the same without self-restraint, then quoting angelo, katangahan na talaga ang tawag doon.
Quote from: carpediem on October 25, 2010, 11:27:52 PM
Quotedon't you think its better na nag-utos ang gobyerno ng news blackout? kesa hayaang mag self regulate ang media?
I said from the start that the government is not without blame. In fact from the beginning mali na sila.
I am just taking the case of media, with the incompetence of goverment and police as a given.
Quotehow would you explain self restraint??? if the media thinks that at that moment of time ay may self regulation o restraint naman sa team nila?
Common sense. If media thought that they had self regulation or restraint, then walang common sense ang media.
Kung mauulit ang the same situation, given the same incompetence of the goverment and police such that there were no orders to control media, and media would still do the same without self-restraint, then quoting angelo, katangahan na talaga ang tawag doon.
well, hindi na kita tatanungin kung ikaw ang nasa kalagayan ng media.. siyempre isasagot mo hindi mo ie-ere ng live yun.. masasabi ko na lang, iba talaga kapag ikaw ang nasa sitwasyon na yun.. especially, kapag alam mong wala kang nilalabag na batas, gagawin mo ang iyong trabaho ng buong tapang. napaka-simple lang naman ng gusto kong mangyari. gumawa ng batas kung hanggang saan dapat ang media.
self restraint is based on one's conviction.. if he thinks he's not violating anything, why would he stop doing his job?? unless of course, may batas nga diba?
hinde magkakaroon ng batas para magkaroon ng boundaries/limitations ang media kasi mavi-violate ang freedom of the press na nakasaad sa constitution. Sa lahat ng nagtatrabaho kahit anong field merong work ethics. Kaya nga ang media based dun sa IIRC report ay ibinigay na sa KBP to evaluate if it requires to give sanction or not. Most probably hinde naman criminal charge kung meron man.
Media men need not to have separate laws para matigil sa pag-report kasi as I said meron naman work ethics (unless hinde ito inaaply). Since nasa media ka, may kaakibat kang responsibility sa tao lalo na pag live ang airing. You have to make sure everything is true and delivered as 100% for the understanding of the people. Pero mapapansin mo meron din talaga naging overboard na sa pagrereport. Halimbawa, alam naman natin may right ang tao kung ayaw magpainterview at magpakita sa tv di ba so i-respeto na lang pero makikita mo sa news ipinagpipilitan pa ng reporter na habulin yung iinterviewhin at ipapakita pa yung mukha. Hinde muna tinanong ung tao kung payag ba siya o hinde tinatapatan na kaagad ng camera at nakikita na pala sa tv. tama pa ba iyon?
dapat natuto na sa nangyari.
sana sa susunod maisagawa na ng maayos ang mga SOPs, protocols, ethics, guidelines, etc.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on October 26, 2010, 01:17:43 PM
hinde magkakaroon ng batas para magkaroon ng boundaries/limitations ang media kasi mavi-violate ang freedom of the press na nakasaad sa constitution. Sa lahat ng nagtatrabaho kahit anong field merong work ethics. Kaya nga ang media based dun sa IIRC report ay ibinigay na sa KBP to evaluate if it requires to give sanction or not. Most probably hinde naman criminal charge kung meron man.
Media men need not to have separate laws para matigil sa pag-report kasi as I said meron naman work ethics (unless hinde ito inaaply). Since nasa media ka, may kaakibat kang responsibility sa tao lalo na pag live ang airing. You have to make sure everything is true and delivered as 100% for the understanding of the people. Pero mapapansin mo meron din talaga naging overboard na sa pagrereport. Halimbawa, alam naman natin may right ang tao kung ayaw magpainterview at magpakita sa tv di ba so i-respeto na lang pero makikita mo sa news ipinagpipilitan pa ng reporter na habulin yung iinterviewhin at ipapakita pa yung mukha. Hinde muna tinanong ung tao kung payag ba siya o hinde tinatapatan na kaagad ng camera at nakikita na pala sa tv. tama pa ba iyon?
isa iyon sa tinatanong ko.. binigay yung IIRC report sa KBP pero pano yung mga media na hindi naman miyembro nun?
while it is true na dapat 100% accurate ang ibinabalita, it is also true na dapat on time ang ibinabalita.. hindi ka magbabalita ng nangyari na nung nakaraang linggo pa, o nangyari na nung isang araw pa.. even in news abroad, like cnn, bbc, aljazeera.. bakit nila ihu-hook ng live yung hostage crisis kung sila rin ay may self restraint.ethics.code.. whatever.. din na sinusunod?
you see.. hindi malinaw ang self restraint na sinasabi ng gobyerno, hindi na rin ako magtataka kung mauulit at mauuli ito.
sana hinde na maulit. Alam na dapat ng mga concerned officials involved ang gagawin nila. Magsasagawa na lang sila ng total blackout ng media para makaiwas na maulit tutal walang self restraint, work ethics at guidelines ang media ;D Magrereport na lang after na lang ng incident.
Quote from: pinoybrusko on October 26, 2010, 02:46:02 PM
sana hinde na maulit. Alam na dapat ng mga concerned officials involved ang gagawin nila. Magsasagawa na lang sila ng total blackout ng media para makaiwas na maulit tutal walang self restraint, work ethics at guidelines ang media ;D Magrereport na lang after na lang ng incident.
i think that's better Brusk.. at least hindi mabi-blame ang media sa huli..
sa aking pagkakaintindi, circumstantial naman yung pinagtatalunan dito.
media kasi kinunan bawat galaw ng pulis. they had an idea that there was a television inside the bus yet, gave access to the "strategy" ng pulis (kung meron man) which allegedly led to the detriment of the PNP as well as hostages. nakikita ng nag-iisang hostage taker versus the army of policemen kung gaano sila ka-incompetent to handle such situation, which then became advantageous at some point for Mendoza.
pwede naman live coverage but not directly focused on the bus at point-blank range (tuloy pati yung pulis who used a mallet to break the windshield became a fool of himself). pwede naman situational but not blow-by-blow. dito pumapasok yung self-restraint. simple lang naman eh. it still satisfies being able to report what is happening (1) and being very timely (2).
the point of the iirc report is that on all angles, lahat ng involved may maling nagawa. wala na siguro ang naparusahan kasi wala naman pwedeng magmalaki na ganito o ganyan ang dapat nangyari kasi lahat nagkamali. kaya dapat lang na itama at hindi na mauulit muli.
Quote from: angelo on October 26, 2010, 11:53:31 PM
sa aking pagkakaintindi, circumstantial naman yung pinagtatalunan dito.
media kasi kinunan bawat galaw ng pulis. they had an idea that there was a television inside the bus yet, gave access to the "strategy" ng pulis (kung meron man) which allegedly led to the detriment of the PNP as well as hostages. nakikita ng nag-iisang hostage taker versus the army of policemen kung gaano sila ka-incompetent to handle such situation, which then became advantageous at some point for Mendoza.
pwede naman live coverage but not directly focused on the bus at point-blank range (tuloy pati yung pulis who used a mallet to break the windshield became a fool of himself). pwede naman situational but not blow-by-blow. dito pumapasok yung self-restraint. simple lang naman eh. it still satisfies being able to report what is happening (1) and being very timely (2).
the point of the iirc report is that on all angles, lahat ng involved may maling nagawa. wala na siguro ang naparusahan kasi wala naman pwedeng magmalaki na ganito o ganyan ang dapat nangyari kasi lahat nagkamali. kaya dapat lang na itama at hindi na mauulit muli.
i understand what your trying to point out angelo, pero inuulit ko iba ang sitwasyon that time..
1. Nagsimula yung kaguluhan ng arestuhin ang kapatid ng hostage taker..
Live na naka-air ang mga News kasi yun ang timeslot nila kaya anumang galaw meron dun tiyak na hindi makakalusot sa cameraFYI: ang TV Patrol, umere ang first gap na hindi puro hostage crisis ang topic, in fact pumasok pa ang starnews.
2. Umaga pa lang may live shots na nung Bus at i'm sure, aware na ang mga awtoridad including Malacañang. The fact na nakikita sa telebisyon ang kuha ng Bus at nalaman agad na may TV sa loob ng Bus, hindi imposible na makita nga ang lahat ng galaw sa labas ng bus. Eh bakit hindi pinahinto ang live coverage kung alam ng pamahalaan na makakagulo ito sa sitwasyon? dahil ba sa telebisyon lang din nila mino-monitor ang sitwasyon?
3. Self Restraint -
restraint imposed on oneself by oneself; self Control
Clearly, the self restraint we are talking about here is not written in the law, it is imposed on oneself by oneself, meaning.. it depends on the individual or the organization on how they understand "self restraint". kailangan ko pa bang ipaliwanag kung pare-pareho ba o hindi ang self control ng bawat isa?
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Self-control is directly related to the pressure an individual may face:
Good Pressure: When an individual is in a competitive, yet non-judgemental and non-prejudicial environment, the individual may want to be like those around them. An individual may become motivated and inspired and gain self-control.
Bad Pressure: When an individual is in a judgemental and prejudicial environment and there is no competition, an individual may become depressed and unmotivated, lose self-control.
No Pressure: When an individual is free and there is no competition, and can do what one may feel, self-control is based on how an individual may feel. Since there are no other individuals to compare, an individual may be less motivated or more motivated depending on the urgency of whatever they are doing.
4. Walang Solidong batas na nagbabawal sa mga Media na kuhanan ang isang insidente gaya ng Hostage Crisis, pero maaring ipag-utos ng Awtoridad o ng Pangulo ang News Blackout sakaling alam nilang malalagay sa alanganin ang kalagayan ng mga hinostage.. sa pagkakataong iyon, malinaw na hindi alam ng mga Awtoridad kung ano nga ba ang sitwasyon ng mga Oras na iyon. Patunay dito ang pagtawag dito na isang 'isolated case', ilang oras bago nauwi sa malagim na katapusan.
inuulit ko, sa tingin ko, may ilang indibidwal sa media ang hindi maikakailang nakagulo sa sitwasyon.. pero kung ang pagtatalunan ay ang coverage ng media sa nangyaring hostage crisis, hindi naman yata makatwiran pagbuntunan ng sisi iyon.
hindi nman totally sa media ang sisi, everyone involved is accountable for what happened and media has something to do with it as well.
Sometimes, nwawalan na tlaga ng restraint kung anu ang dapt ipakita sa tv e
Jude, I only disagree with you on the issue of self-restraint.
Let me attempt another analogy.
Let's say you are a logger (woodcutter) for a logging company. There's this certain wooden area of land whose trees produce high quality logs that are in very high demand. Needless to say, your company and other logging companies have all converged to log in this area.
Unfortunately for the local folks living close to this area, their lives will be jeopardized if the area becomes deforested, as the trees protect their lands from natural disasters. The area is fast becoming deforested due to logging, and the local government there is apathetic of the situation, and has issued no laws or rules governing the cutting of trees in that area.
All of the logging companies know the situation. The question is, would you continue to log in this area?
Quote from: carpediem on October 27, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
Jude, I only disagree with you on the issue of self-restraint.
Let me attempt another analogy.
Let's say you are a logger (woodcutter) for a logging company. There's this certain wooden area of land whose trees produce high quality logs that are in very high demand. Needless to say, your company and other logging companies have all converged to log in this area.
Unfortunately for the local folks living close to this area, their lives will be jeopardized if the area becomes deforested, as the trees protect their lands from natural disasters. The area is fast becoming deforested due to logging, and the local government there is apathetic of the situation, and has issued no laws or rules governing the cutting of trees in that area.
All of the logging companies know the situation. The question is, would you continue to log in this area?
okay, sige, ikumpara natin diyan sa logging na sinasabi mo.
una sa lahat mayroong batas na nagbabawal pumutol ng mga puno especially sa mga protected areas.
if may permit nga from denr and the local government may mga kasunduan din namang kapalit..
like sa pagputol ng isang '30 year old' na puno eh inire-require sila na magtanim ng 100 seedlings?? at yung kikitain sa bawat pinutol na puno ay para magka-kuryente ang mga naninirahan sa liblib na lugar o sa bundok?
what if isa kang logger na sumusunod lamang sa utos ng boss mo?
what if kung ikaw din ang logger na kapag wala kang naputol na puno sa isang araw ay magugutom ang limang anak mo?
what if kung walang pinuputol na puno, may mauupuan kaya tayong gawa sa kahoy? o gamit pangbahay? etc.
all i can say is your analogy with the logger and the trees are totally different from a 'hostage crisis'.
im fed up with the kabobohan ng presidente ng pilipinas.. c pnoy = bobo
kainis, me pasok sa nov. 2.
incompetent talaga.
(OT: sorry guys, don't mind us)
Quote from: judE_Law on October 28, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: carpediem on October 27, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
Jude, I only disagree with you on the issue of self-restraint.
Let me attempt another analogy.
Let's say you are a logger (woodcutter) for a logging company. There's this certain wooden area of land whose trees produce high quality logs that are in very high demand. Needless to say, your company and other logging companies have all converged to log in this area.
Unfortunately for the local folks living close to this area, their lives will be jeopardized if the area becomes deforested, as the trees protect their lands from natural disasters. The area is fast becoming deforested due to logging, and the local government there is apathetic of the situation, and has issued no laws or rules governing the cutting of trees in that area.
All of the logging companies know the situation. The question is, would you continue to log in this area?
okay, sige, ikumpara natin diyan sa logging na sinasabi mo.
una sa lahat mayroong batas na nagbabawal pumutol ng mga puno especially sa mga protected areas.
if may permit nga from denr and the local government may mga kasunduan din namang kapalit..
like sa pagputol ng isang '30 year old' na puno eh inire-require sila na magtanim ng 100 seedlings?? at yung kikitain sa bawat pinutol na puno ay para magka-kuryente ang mga naninirahan sa liblib na lugar o sa bundok?
what if isa kang logger na sumusunod lamang sa utos ng boss mo?
what if kung ikaw din ang logger na kapag wala kang naputol na puno sa isang araw ay magugutom ang limang anak mo?
what if kung walang pinuputol na puno, may mauupuan kaya tayong gawa sa kahoy? o gamit pangbahay? etc.
all i can say is your analogy with the logger and the trees are totally different from a 'hostage crisis'.
The analogy is a hypothetical situation. That being said, just consider it as it is, that is, let us say there are no extra goverment laws -- the area is not protected, you do not need extra permits nor pledges of planting seedlings in order to cut trees.
Let us also consider the scenario that you are the director or a top executive of the logging company, where you direct orders to cut down trees in a particular place.
basta ako ang stand ko dyan every individual should be responsible for each and everyone and not just mind what will benefit them
if what you are doing will already cause death, sufferring or anything negative then put a stop to your actions.
Sometimes the Laws that we have are being used protection to personal interest and not for the good of all.
Quote from: carpediem on October 29, 2010, 12:27:23 AM
(OT: sorry guys, don't mind us)
Quote from: judE_Law on October 28, 2010, 01:23:20 PM
Quote from: carpediem on October 27, 2010, 10:06:40 PM
Jude, I only disagree with you on the issue of self-restraint.
Let me attempt another analogy.
Let's say you are a logger (woodcutter) for a logging company. There's this certain wooden area of land whose trees produce high quality logs that are in very high demand. Needless to say, your company and other logging companies have all converged to log in this area.
Unfortunately for the local folks living close to this area, their lives will be jeopardized if the area becomes deforested, as the trees protect their lands from natural disasters. The area is fast becoming deforested due to logging, and the local government there is apathetic of the situation, and has issued no laws or rules governing the cutting of trees in that area.
All of the logging companies know the situation. The question is, would you continue to log in this area?
okay, sige, ikumpara natin diyan sa logging na sinasabi mo.
una sa lahat mayroong batas na nagbabawal pumutol ng mga puno especially sa mga protected areas.
if may permit nga from denr and the local government may mga kasunduan din namang kapalit..
like sa pagputol ng isang '30 year old' na puno eh inire-require sila na magtanim ng 100 seedlings?? at yung kikitain sa bawat pinutol na puno ay para magka-kuryente ang mga naninirahan sa liblib na lugar o sa bundok?
what if isa kang logger na sumusunod lamang sa utos ng boss mo?
what if kung ikaw din ang logger na kapag wala kang naputol na puno sa isang araw ay magugutom ang limang anak mo?
what if kung walang pinuputol na puno, may mauupuan kaya tayong gawa sa kahoy? o gamit pangbahay? etc.
all i can say is your analogy with the logger and the trees are totally different from a 'hostage crisis'.
The analogy is a hypothetical situation. That being said, just consider it as it is, that is, let us say there are no extra goverment laws -- the area is not protected, you do not need extra permits nor pledges of planting seedlings in order to cut trees.
Let us also consider the scenario that you are the director or a top executive of the logging company, where you direct orders to cut down trees in a particular place.
your analogy aka hypothetical situation, is actually leading... i don't want to answer it sana kasi it only satifies your own view on the matter.
you can't compare the two, since malaki at malayo ang pagkakaiba nila...
as i've said, may batas na nagbabawal sa pagputol ng puno, at walang batas na nagbabawal sa pag-cover ng nagyayaring balita.
^ No it does not satisfy my own view. I believe it is quite objective, and if you ask it to some random person without him knowing the hostage incident as reference, you'll get a pretty unbiased answer. I does help one to look at things in a different way. The flaw perhaps is as you pointed out, in real life we do have laws governing the cutting of trees.
Anyway let us not pursue this topic anymore as we have long been out-of-topic in this thread.
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on October 28, 2010, 02:42:17 PM
im fed up with the kabobohan ng presidente ng pilipinas.. c pnoy = bobo
kainis, me pasok sa nov. 2.
hahaha feeling john lloyd na din si Pnoy dahil kay Liz Uy ;D
haha ano ba gusto natin corrupt o bobo parang no choice ba
Quote from: joshgroban on November 02, 2010, 07:15:32 AM
haha ano ba gusto natin corrupt o bobo parang no choice ba
pag may choice, mas gusto ko pa ang bobo kesa sa corrupt ;D ang bobo natuturuan ang corrupt expert na :D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on November 02, 2010, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: joshgroban on November 02, 2010, 07:15:32 AM
haha ano ba gusto natin corrupt o bobo parang no choice ba
pag may choice, mas gusto ko pa ang bobo kesa sa corrupt ;D ang bobo natuturuan ang corrupt expert na :D
hindi ba ang bobo eh namamamni-obra?? paano malalaman ng mang-mang na ginugulangan na pala siya ng mga taong nakapaligid sa kanya?
^ mas gusto ko na ang corrupt kasi kung ang mga taong nasa paligid ay mag-aklas, siya ang lagot.
kung walang alam, lalong dadami ang mga nabibiyayaan. tapos kung mahuli, yung walang alam ang matatanggal at hindi yung mga taong nasa paligid niya na nag-direct ng buong show para sa kanya.
sa aking opinyon lang, ganyan ang nangyari kay Pareng Joseph.
pero think of this, pag corrupt siguradong walang asenso ang bansa pero pag bobo, may chance pa din ;D Ang after ko, pagasenso ng bansa natin kahit puro bobo pa turing sa kanila :D Ang corrupt ang hopeless case
i am not arguing about corrupt vs bobo...
corruption is not hopeless. it is always present, even in first world countries. just look at our neighboring countries, marami din corruption, although in a smaller scale.
one thing to realize is that corruption is more of a symptom than a cause of problems.
Quote from: carpediem on November 03, 2010, 03:23:58 PM
i am not arguing about corrupt vs bobo...
corruption is not hopeless. it is always present, even in first world countries. just look at our neighboring countries, marami din corruption, although in a smaller scale.
one thing to realize is that corruption is more of a symptom than a cause of problems.
hinde uso ang small scale corruption sa pinas ;D massive corruption which I conclude is a hopeless case.
sa mga corrupt, malalim na ang pinag-ugatan niyan sa pagkatao nila.
I miss Joseph.. For me, ok naman xang presidente eh.. Ang gag* eh si Singson. Xa dpat ang nakulong.
sana may bagong issue naman na pag-usapan. as usual hindi naman na-re-resolve. change topic na lang.
maguindanao massacre. justice delayed - justice denied.
ayoko na pag usapan si willie
mariel vs toni..
james and kris
pnoy and dating
sharon and aga >:(
^ antagal na nga niyan. baka matanggal na yung sign dun sa harap ng UP Manila e di pa rin sila nakakalabas.
i believe kung hindi man sila miyembro ng rebeldeng grupo.. for sure, supporter sila!
lovelife ni Pnoy...please let's stop the report of his dates and love life..let us give him some respect in terms of this and its none of business kung sino ang gusto nya idate or marami syang ka-date
importante is ireport natin kung anung ginagawa nyang programa sa bansa at di yang lovelive nya ang dinidiscuss
Korek...kaya pati lovelife ni Pnoy pinakikialamanan
grabe nmn kc ung DOM na un.. Plbhasa presidente kya gusto eh mggndang babae samntlng muka nmn xang isda sa Spongebob.
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on December 08, 2010, 09:33:22 AM
grabe nmn kc ung DOM na un.. Plbhasa presidente kya gusto eh mggndang babae samntlng muka nmn xang isda sa Spongebob.
^^hahaha.... well.. what can i say... siguro kasi ngayon lang tayo nagkaroon ng pangulo na wala pang sariling pamilya?! kaya big deal hindi lang sa media kundi sa masa na rin..
^^ ang puti-puti n kya ng hair nya nung nakasalubong q xa sa The Podium during his secret dates with his makeup artist. (What? You got a makeup artist? You gay?) Hahahaha!! Mas better pa dn c gloria. Daming holiday! Yung bobong presidente natin eh KJ eh... Bobo na nga, KJ pa! Ha! San ka pa!
abs vs. willie
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 26, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
abs vs. willie
matagal pa bago matapos yan Yoso.. ubusan ng Pera yan.. ;D
pagod na ako sa issue ng ampatuan something..hina kasi ng justice system ng pinas.
kakahiya.
Quote from: judE_Law on December 26, 2010, 03:50:33 PM
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on December 26, 2010, 11:36:12 AM
abs vs. willie
matagal pa bago matapos yan Yoso.. ubusan ng Pera yan.. ;D
I think ito ang plan ng ABS, ang ubusin ang pera ni Willie
agawan ng yaman siguro
di bah yung tower ni willie sana abs?
wtf, its an insult.
Well its true that Willie is on top now but I don't think it will last. Sooner or later he will go down and the higher he is up right now the harder his fall will be
He is burning bridges already with ABS and if time comes when he is no longer at the TOP no one will get him anymore
^ agree.
Pero ngayon, nagmumukha talagang di maka-get over ang ABS kay Willie. Tama naman sila sa mga copyright infringement stuff, pero, kaya naman nilang pabayaan yung show niya as it is. The thing is, it's hurting ABS' primetime ratings.
Totoo ring:
- Mali naman talaga yung naging behavior niya habang nasa dos pa siya.
- Di ko trip "noontime show" niya sa gabi.
Correct..pera pera lang ang ginagamit pero hanngang kailan??
Quote from: ram013 on December 28, 2010, 10:52:53 PM
Well its true that Willie is on top now but I don't think it will last. Sooner or later he will go down and the higher he is up right now the harder his fall will be
He is burning bridges already with ABS and if time comes when he is no longer at the TOP no one will get him anymore
nice point of view!
i think yung format ng show ang isang dahilan kung bakit marami pa ring nanonood kay willie...
hindi naman talaga si willie ang pinapanood kundi yung mga ordinaryong tao na nagpapasigla ng show..
hindi naman si willie ang dinadayo, kundi yuung pera na pinamumudmod...
Pera-pera, iba talaga nagagawa.
He had no respect for the station that made a demigod out of him.
E binabatukan lang sa mga pelikula yan dati.
Pero siyempre lahat may hangganan.
So True..nagkaron lng pero yumabang na sya
Nakakatwa si Willie minsan pero minsan nakakinis na kc lumalaki na ulo nya
minsan pinpagalitan p nya ung mga staff pag may maling nagwa?
^ On-air pa. He knows nothing about work ethics.
so true..i think willie should learn his lesson
I think kahit nman bago pa sya lumipat e maraming nang my hate s knya
not only because nasa ABS sya nuon e ok sya..
He was a jackass even before Wowowee, during the time ng MTB na ilang beses na rin na suspend dahil sa kanya and his partners Randy Santiago and John Estrada.
I think the country should get over these noontime shows. They are dumbing down the masses.
ang ayaw ko lang sa ginawa niya noon, ay hinamon niya (on-air) na siya ang magre-resign kung di sisipain ng ABS si Jobert. Disrespect at one of its best.
and, ABS is still making millions out of wowowee kahit naman noong mga nasa huling bahagi na ng existence nito, with willie on it.
so true sana makita ng masa ang totoo and finally ma-realize nila na its not worth it
ay naku sna nga na mangyari to...the time it happens the time na aayos na ang bansa
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on December 28, 2010, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: ram013 on December 28, 2010, 11:45:03 PM
so true sana makita ng masa ang totoo and finally ma-realize nila na its not worth it
The day na bumoto ang masa ng matinong presidente sa pilipinas at marealize na circus act lang ginagawa ni Willie will be the day I will study the pediatrics textbook from cover to cover (ctan knows how much I hate pedia).
i'll try bungee jumping if that happens and cut myself into half mid-air.
parang sinabi na rin natin malabo
It's a vicious cycle.
Dumb masses walang pakialam. Votes corrupt politicians.
Corrupt politicians dumb down the masses.
TV programs like Wowowee are part of the equation.
meron pa kayang taong magstand up para makita ito ng nkakarami??
;D Like
Quotenamamasko po. penge barya
Umiinit ulo ko everytime I hear that.
^ kahit sa dyip, may mga sobre pa ang mga humihingi niyan.
di ako nagbibgay pag mga ganyan.pinagsasabihan ko pa nga e
tama.
wag magbibigay.
bawal.
ako.. depende.. minsan nagbibigay ako...
pagnagbigay ka kasi, alam nilang meron pa din nagbibigay kaya bumabalik pa sila.
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on January 01, 2011, 01:43:53 PM
pagnagbigay ka kasi, alam nilang meron pa din nagbibigay kaya bumabalik pa sila.
hmm.. tinitignan ko naman kasi minsan kung karapat dapat bang bigyan eh.. meron din naman kasing mga lehitimong humihingi ng tulong..
siguro wala ng magaabot ng sobre at lalapit sa lansangan para maghingi sa inyo ng pera kasi tapos na ang pasko ;D
Quote from: pinoybrusko on January 02, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
siguro wala ng magaabot ng sobre at lalapit sa lansangan para maghingi sa inyo ng pera kasi tapos na ang pasko ;D
meron pa rin... hehehe... dito pa sa Pinas. ;D
matanda na yang media sensationalism, pati gonzo journ, nakaka- <insert nakakasuklam na adj. here> na.
nakakairita rin na every morning, makakakita ka ng mga "Mister, tinaga ulo ni misis, Kinain!"-type na mga headline sa tabloid, like that's the biggest issue that matters for that day.. palibhasa kasi, benta. hay.
RE: ABS' headline:
The title stated naman na yung "statement/data" came from DOH.
7 out of 100 HIV-positive Pinoys are OFWs - DOH
kaya the doh is to blame for whatever "disservice" it might have caused, no?
i see.. 7 out of 10 pala nakalagay kanina.. "corrected" na nakalagay. haha :D
^it has been updated and corrected. ;)
^ pero the url is not hehe
Quote from: Kilo 1000 on January 11, 2011, 09:07:38 PM
abs-cbn should fix their reporting and headlines if they want to be called credible.
Posting a headline with "7 out of 10 OFWs positive for HIV" while the article gives a different information does a great disservice to the OFWs. (see bold below). Parang sinabi mo halos lahat ng OFW ay infected. Wala kang data ng buong population of OFW and HIV just to post that particular headline. I call this irresponsible. Not only you create a bad impression to the OFWs, it creates a stigma of HIV among filipinos. This is media sensationalism at its ugliest.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/global-filipino/01/11/11/7-out-10-ofws-positive-hiv
MANILA, Philippines – The Department of Health (DOH) has released new data on HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) in the Philippines.
salamat kilo for watching abs hehe
Based on the data released by the DOH and the Philippine HIV and AIDS Registry, 7 out of 100 HIV positive are overseas Filipino workers (OFWs).
This is lower than the data in 2006.
However, the number of OFWs affected may not be accurate since not all HIV/AIDS positive have been documented.
"Paano pa yung mga hindi documented o mga TNT na infected ng HIV-AIDS," said Dr. Chito Avelino, director of the Philippine National AIDS Council Secretariat.
Still, according to the data, of the 160 OFW HIV/AIDS positive, 83% were men and 18% were women.
The Trade Union Congress of the Philippines (TUCP) challenged the Philippine government to intensify its campaign against the spread of HIV-AIDS to protect its Filipino workers.
The group said that AIDS preventive education must be included in the seminars that OFWs undergo before leaving the country for work abroad.
"Nakakalungkot ang bilang na ito na tinatamaan ang mga Pinoy ng HIV/AIDS," said Rafael Mapalo, TUCP National spokesperson.
For its part, the DOH said the campaign to educate OFWs on the use of condoms for protection needs to be strengthened to prevent the disease from further spreading.
I am not getting fed up with the issues about Pnoy. People should continue talking about it until he sees he isn't that great after all. Until he sees that there is really no point in putting the blame on the previous admin due to the ills of this nation. Until he sees that when he began to assume presidency, he already willingly took the burden to assume the responsibility regardless of the state of the nation.
Im fed up sa mga politicians na wala nang ginawa kundi magbangyan
sa mga news station at anchors na wala nang ginawa kung di mamuna
im fed up sa mga taong wla nang ginawa kung di manira at magcriticize
nkakarindi na rin minsan ang ganitong pangyayari sa araw2x.....
Take Constructive Criticism and Make It a Positive Thing!
yun ang masasabi ko sa kanya...
kung walang pupuna, walang babatikos... walang makakaalam ng kung ano ng nangyayari..
hindi natatapos ang pagiging botante natin sa pagboto.. pero hindi rin naman nangangahulugan na yung namumuno lang ang dapat kumilos.
fed up na sa corruption issues... palasak na
Quote from: joshgroban on January 14, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
fed up na sa corruption issues... palasak na
may gobyerno ba na hindi inakusahan ng korupsiyon?
in a democratic type of government kasi, mataas talaga ang index of corruption.
kinda normal na mga isyung korupsyon.
"kung walang corrupt, walang mahirap"
pag natamos ang termino ni PNOY at may mahirap pa rin.. isisigaw ko sa mundo na isa rin siyang corrupt!
mahaba-habang panahon pa ang hihintayin mo jude. hehehe!
Quote from: ctan on January 17, 2011, 12:46:36 AM
mahaba-habang panahon pa ang hihintayin mo jude. hehehe!
wala lang... hehe..
ngayon niya patunayan yung sinasabi niya... pag may mahirap pa rin after nung term niya diba pwede na siyang sabihing corrupt.. hehe.. hindi na ako makapaghintay.
nagtataas na presyo. Pamasahe, gasolina, flour,tinapay at pati siopao madadamay.
Kung pati ang fishball sa may kanto namin ay magtataas at magiging 3 for 2Pesos, ayaw ko na. mangingibang bansa na ako.
Quote from: maykel on January 18, 2011, 08:54:49 AM
nagtataas na presyo. Pamasahe, gasolina, flour,tinapay at pati siopao madadamay.
Kung pati ang fishball sa may kanto namin ay magtataas at magiging 3 for 2Pesos, ayaw ko na. mangingibang bansa na ako.
maykel, mahal na rin pamasahe sa erplano.. hehehe.. ;D
Quote from: judE_Law on January 18, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
Quote from: maykel on January 18, 2011, 08:54:49 AM
nagtataas na presyo. Pamasahe, gasolina, flour,tinapay at pati siopao madadamay.
Kung pati ang fishball sa may kanto namin ay magtataas at magiging 3 for 2Pesos, ayaw ko na. mangingibang bansa na ako.
maykel, mahal na rin pamasahe sa erplano.. hehehe.. ;D
di bale, magpapasponsor naman ako sayo eh.. :P
politics and poverty
politics! am not just referring to the pips we see on tv.
yung kotse ni PNoy. masyadong pinalaki pa. corny na ng balita ah..
yang pulis-pulis na yan..
korek kapagod na pulis... kung hindi huli sa action...pumapatay ng inosente whew
homosexuality.
in this day and age, let's just agree to disagree. it's reality. and the more we bend reality, the more we become psychotic.
^^ bat b kc ayaw magpakatotoo.
ang sunod sunod na pagtaas ng presyo.
Agree ako kay darkstar.
^ i am with darkstar...
ditto on darkstar's post. ewan. kaya naging less active ako e. haha.
Quote from: Mr.Yos0 on February 02, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
ditto on darkstar's post. ewan. kaya naging less active ako e. haha.
naku, 'wag ka na lang pa-apekto sa post ng iba..
hind ka naman sumali sa pgg para sa kanila eh.. besides, hindi lang sila ang tao dito. enjoy lang! :D
Quote from: darkstar13 on February 03, 2011, 09:29:06 AM
how does agreeing with someone automatically becomes a bandwagon?
it just means napapansin namin ang mangyayari, dahil sa bawat araw na pag-login ko, siguardong may mababasa ako tungkol sa issue nyo with someone else. kung ganun rin ang nararamdaman ng iba, dahil sila rin mismo ay nabobother na sa nangyayari, paano naging bandwagon yun?
chillax dude!!!! :) easy lang...
Quote from: darkstar13 on February 03, 2011, 09:29:06 AM
how does agreeing with someone automatically becomes a bandwagon?
it just means napapansin namin ang mangyayari, dahil sa bawat araw na pag-login ko, siguardong may mababasa ako tungkol sa issue nyo with someone else. kung ganun rin ang nararamdaman ng iba, dahil sila rin mismo ay nabobother na sa nangyayari, paano naging bandwagon yun?
i already talk to fox about this.. and he just told me to 'stay out of it'.. and i did..
its just annoying...
issues that we are already getting fed up with!!!
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 12:26:38 PM
^^^ jude, you dont have to be annoyed if you are not involved in this issue..you can always avoid reading posts related to this so-called "away"..its like changing the TV channel if you dont like a certain program...but PLEASE do not ask me to stop making posts related to this issue especially if the other party is provoking me to do so..remember this basic idea from physics : AN OBJECT AT REST WILL REMAIN AT REST UNLESS AN EXTERNAL FORCE ACTS ON IT...i have been "at rest" for so long when the other party posts replies which degrades my person..i guess this is my time to "act on it" >:(
you don't get it do you?
fox, its not just me who's getting fed up with these 'blind items'...
sino ba kasi yan, bat di mo ba diretsuhin? gaya ng sinabi mo, ACT ON IT! STRAIGHT INTO HIS FACE!
para matapos na di ba?
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
^^^ jude, my previous reply , although addressed to you, was not only meant for you..it was meant for all those who are fed up with this so called issue...if you did not get the message the first time, here it is :KUNG NAIINIS KAYO SA MGA POSTS NA TO, E DI WAG NYONG BASAHIN..BUT DO NOT STOP ME FROM DEFENDING MY PERSON NA NIRURUYAKAN NG KABILANG PARTY..OKAY? by the way, i already talked to chris about this ...
yun naman pala eh, you already talked to chris about it.. why not talk to na rin with the person na kaalitan mo?
anyway, hndi ka namin inaaway o sini-single-out baka kasi yun ang isipin mo.. wala lang, kasi dati nai-enjoy pa kitang kausap, ngayon puro yung kaalitan mo na ang lagi mong topic.
ibalik mo si fox na kilala ko!!
Quote from: judE_Law on February 03, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
^^^ jude, my previous reply , although addressed to you, was not only meant for you..it was meant for all those who are fed up with this so called issue...if you did not get the message the first time, here it is :KUNG NAIINIS KAYO SA MGA POSTS NA TO, E DI WAG NYONG BASAHIN..BUT DO NOT STOP ME FROM DEFENDING MY PERSON NA NIRURUYAKAN NG KABILANG PARTY..OKAY? by the way, i already talked to chris about this ...
yun naman pala eh, you already talked to chris about it.. why not talk to na rin with the person na kaalitan mo?
anyway, hndi ka namin inaaway o sini-single-out baka kasi yun ang isipin mo.. wala lang, kasi dati nai-enjoy pa kitang kausap, ngayon puro yung kaalitan mo na ang lagi mong topic.
ibalik mo si fox na kilala ko!!
ibalik mo dn ung JudE_Law dati.
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
^^^ actually, i promised chris to stop posting aboout this issue IF the other party also stopped mocking me..but the other party keep on posting bitchy comments about me so i have no choice but to retaliate..ikaw ba, pag may mang-aasar sa yo sa forum na to, mananahimik ka na lang ba?...by the way, im still the same fox na nakilala mo..very fun-loving and opiniated..medyo nakalabas lang muna yung mga sungay ko :P
^^ ang horny mo nmn fox69. Hehehehe!!
Anyway, I agree with you.
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 01:36:04 PM
^^^ actually, i promised chris to stop posting aboout this issue IF the other party also stopped mocking me..but the other party keep on posting bitchy comments about me so i have no choice but to retaliate..ikaw ba, pag may mang-aasar sa yo sa forum na to, mananahimik ka na lang ba?...by the way, im still the same fox na nakilala mo..very fun-loving and opiniated..medyo nakalabas lang muna yung mga sungay ko :P
siguro lumaki lang to dahil sa nakikisawsaw. ayun lang po...
haha P E A C E....dude
Quote from: marvinofthefaintsmile on February 03, 2011, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: judE_Law on February 03, 2011, 01:22:47 PM
Quote from: fox69 on February 03, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
^^^ jude, my previous reply , although addressed to you, was not only meant for you..it was meant for all those who are fed up with this so called issue...if you did not get the message the first time, here it is :KUNG NAIINIS KAYO SA MGA POSTS NA TO, E DI WAG NYONG BASAHIN..BUT DO NOT STOP ME FROM DEFENDING MY PERSON NA NIRURUYAKAN NG KABILANG PARTY..OKAY? by the way, i already talked to chris about this ...
yun naman pala eh, you already talked to chris about it.. why not talk to na rin with the person na kaalitan mo?
anyway, hndi ka namin inaaway o sini-single-out baka kasi yun ang isipin mo.. wala lang, kasi dati nai-enjoy pa kitang kausap, ngayon puro yung kaalitan mo na ang lagi mong topic.
ibalik mo si fox na kilala ko!!
ibalik mo dn ung JudE_Law dati.
hmmmm.... what did i miss?? ;D
All, just two things -
First, there was no issue before people made a big issue out of this. As fox said (which jude also said before), you can always avoid reading posts you don't like. If you are not involved, then no need to get involved.
Second, this so called "issue" is neither about philosophy, religion, or politics, unless you want to continue putting politics into this. Everything is already off-topic, including this post of mine. So please get back to the topic.
Quote from: carpediem on February 03, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
All, just two things -
First, there was no issue before people made a big issue out of this. As fox said (which jude also said before), you can always avoid reading posts you don't like. If you are not involved, then no need to get involved.
Second, this so called "issue" is neither about philosophy, religion, or politics, unless you want to continue putting politics into this. Everything is already off-topic, including this post of mine. So please get back to the topic.
sir, yes sir! ;D
^ Thanks :)
An issue I'm getting fed up with, is our justice system. Corrupt and broken. Sobrang walang kwenta. Parang walang natatapos na case na maayos. Most recent example, the Luneta Hostage tragedy - ano na ba nangyari dito? Another one is yung Vizconde Massacre.
Quote from: carpediem on February 03, 2011, 09:17:30 PM
^ Thanks :)
An issue I'm getting fed up with, is our justice system. Corrupt and broken. Sobrang walang kwenta. Parang walang natatapos na case na maayos. Most recent example, the Luneta Hostage tragedy - ano na ba nangyari dito? Another one is yung Vizconde Massacre.
Agreed with this one. Bombing incident, tapos napatungan na naman ng Garcia Case.
I'm also tired with issues of people about a person doing something wrong or allegedly doing something wrong, and then may karugtong na "Christian pa naman", or "claims to be a Christian". I feel that religion, or for me in this matter, faith and relationship with God, is a very sensitive issue. Sana huwag na lang i-publicize ang dismay to a person claiming to be a Christian. Cause you might not know and peculiar as it is, when one Christian is being accused of something grave, it's like accusing the rest of the brethren. A little consideration please. I don't mind if you bash each other here, just please don't involve Christianity. Thanks!
I'm not yet tired of reading of posts like those I've back read and makes me smile or laugh hehehehe...despite all the tension at the post...Chillax mga dudes! 8)
Quote from: fox69 on February 04, 2011, 08:54:44 AM
Quote from: carpediem on February 03, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
All, just two things -
First, there was no issue before people made a big issue out of this. As fox said (which jude also said before), you can always avoid reading posts you don't like. If you are not involved, then no need to get involved.
Second, this so called "issue" is neither about philosophy, religion, or politics, unless you want to continue putting politics into this. Everything is already off-topic, including this post of mine. So please get back to the topic.
for me, this is the best reply as far as this so-called "issue" is concerned...THANKS CARPEDIEM ;D
I like yung First one.,
ako lahat gusto ko hehe pati ot ko...
pero itong issue na to im fed up already
Quote from: darkstar13 on February 04, 2011, 08:30:31 AM
My final statement on the matter is this:
We do not need to like each other here. If we meet new friends, then that is great.
If not, then that's okay. But to create enemies, I think the world is already full of bad people; let us not be one of them.
To ian, I know you are just defending your friend and yourself. I get your idea that you won't let anyone step on your toes.
Speaking up about it is just right. To claim back lost respect is just fair. But I hope that we do not need to step on other toes as well
just to show them that we do not tolerate such things. I believe that is how many of the things gets messed up, when we try to
fight bad things with worse things. I believe you are very lucky not to need to hide your homosexuality to your mom, and to the people you value. I respect you for who you are and I admire your acceptance of yourself. But I hope you also think about that many of us are not as lucky as you. For whatever reason someone chooses not to accept his true self, I think it is their prerogative. I believe all we can do is let them know that they have someone to talk to and someone to support them if they ever decides to come out in this world full of judgmental people.
Posting, which includes creation of a thread, here in PGG, is a privilege given to us when we register to PGGF.
It is just a privilege, not a right. If we hate something about the rules, on how things we post gets deleted,
or how our posts are scrutinized for being disrespectful to other, all we can do is let the person involved know,
hopefully in private, and when necessary, the admin as well.
We might as well create our own forum with our own rules if we dislike the current policies.
As for the moderators, I know you only mean well (I hope), but maybe as a courtesy to people who value what they write here,
let us know the reason prior to deletion of post or threads before we delete them. I believe PGGF has become more than just a forum
for many. Some of us shares things that we never share with anyone else, and because of that, what we write sometimes become
too personal that it would be like taking a part of ourselves when things we write gets deleted.
I hope soon enough PGGF will be as friendly as it was that compelled me to sign up and eventually made me want to visit this everyday.
I know we all value this forum and the avenue it gives us to be the person we are somehow afraid to be. Let us, in return,
do what we can to keep PGG valuable for other as well.
To all I might have unintentionally hurt of got pissed off with anything I have said, or have been saying,
I sincerely apologize. I just need to speak up for certain things I believe in, but I have no intentions,
in any way to hurt anyone. Pardon me if I ever offended you.
I rest my case.
well said darkstar!
mabuhay ang kapayapaan!!!!!
Quote from: joshgroban on February 04, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
ako lahat gusto ko hehe pati ot ko...
pero itong issue na to im fed up already
then i-revoke nya n lng ung ryt nya!! dahil wala xang nggwang tulong at all.,
OT: GROUP HUG :D
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on February 04, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
OT: GROUP HUG :D
OT haha... imposible pa 'tong mangyari ngayon... ;D
its not imposbile its..... POSSIMPIBLE
^adik!
OT: POSSIMPIBLE - Where the possible and impossible meet. When you go beyond the possible and beyond the impossible
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on February 04, 2011, 11:15:25 PM
OT: POSSIMPIBLE - Where the possible and impossible meet. When you go beyond the possible and beyond the impossible
the question is... is possimpible, possible or impossible?? ::)
Angelo reyes committed Suicide. Naniniwala kaya or hindi?
Quote from: ram013 on February 09, 2011, 05:39:47 AM
Angelo reyes committed Suicide. Naniniwala kaya or hindi?
pinakita na ba yung katawan? Sabi ng iba kahapon fake death daw.. sabi ng iba totoo daw
Quote from: eLgimiker0 on February 09, 2011, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: ram013 on February 09, 2011, 05:39:47 AM
Angelo reyes committed Suicide. Naniniwala kaya or hindi?
pinakita na ba yung katawan? Sabi ng iba kahapon fake death daw.. sabi ng iba totoo daw
haha... gawin daw bang isyu kung peke o tunay pagkamatay ni angelo reyes?
since napagusapan? I got questions in mind
1. bakit nagpakamatay?
2. ano ang last conversation nila ni GMA a day before he commit suicide?
3. sino ang mastermind?
una sa lahat..nobody can really tell (except for the family maybe) kung ano talaga dahilan at nagawa niya yun.
All i can say is that the death of Reyes should be a lesson for lawmakers not to use investigations in trial by publicity.
Allegations of wrongdoing should be looked into by judicial authorities, stressing that the accused are presumed innocent till proven.
The relentless embarrassment at the hands of his detractors have have pushed reyes to suicide.
maybe reyes thinks that his death will also put a stop to the assaults on his integrity.
Congressional investigations into personal lives should be avoided.
If the evidence is trully strong, then a case should just be filed in court.
I agree with congress/senate probes as long as they are not use for character assassination.
Maybe on a higher level reyes tried to save the institutions that he represented after retiring from the Armed Forces including the Republic of the Philippines.. lets just take it that way.
Dapat talaga magkaroon ng sistema para maiwasa yung pamba-bastos o panghihiya ng mga mambabatas sa mga witness o resource person sa mga imbestigasyon o pagdinig sa senado man o sa kongreso. Isa kasi sa dahilan na nakikita ko kung bakit siya nagpakamatay ay dahil sa kahihiyan na dinanas niya sa hearing..
rrest in peace na lang sya... di na naman nya made defend sarili niya..... may we not fall in the same temptation.....
tama lang ang pagiimbestiga ng senate at nung kung anu mang body kahit televised yan o hindi...bastos man o hindi
we Filipinos deserve to hear and know that our lawmakers are protecting our interest...KINORRUPT nila ang pera whether proven or not they have to be there to be investigated
Trial by Publicity??? I don't think so...
AT bakit kailangang magpakamatay kung wlang kasalanan...so LAME
I think nagpakamatay sya kasi pressured n sya plus may mga higher officials pang involve who is involve as well and this adds up to the pressure
Lastly, Judicial hands, e si Merceditas Guitterez nman napaka BIAS...what a shame
^you will never become a politician pare.. is that a good thing? maybe.. coz you trully don't understand how things goes in politics..
trial by publicity has been going on eversince...
i was wondering kung ano na nangyari sa iba pang imbestigasyon..
may mga nanagot ba?
ang alam ko lang silang maiingay noon, sila ngayon ang nakaupo sa senado at kongreso...
to name a few:
eta rosales, chiz escudero, peter cayetano, teddy casino, frank drilon...
darn.. hindi tayo natututo..
We define POLITICS sa paraan na nakagisnan natin and we never want to change that view
and if ever maging politician ako...which I think I can be....I'll redefine how you see Politics....
sa mga imbestigasyon na yan wlang nangyari kasi we let them do that..kung magiging active lng ang lahat ng tao para usigin ang mga taong ito e di magkakaron ng solusyon
ang mga senador at congressman ay representasyon natin...tayo mismo rin ang gumagawa ng paraan kung bakit ganyan ang nangyayari...kung babaguhin natin ang paraan ng pagboto at pananaw...mlamang maging ok nman ang pulitika sa PINAS
kaya meron salitang TRAPO :)
Quote from: ram013 on February 11, 2011, 01:56:03 AM
We define POLITICS sa paraan na nakagisnan natin and we never want to change that view
and if ever maging politician ako...which I think I can be....I'll redefine how you see Politics....
sa mga imbestigasyon na yan wlang nangyari kasi we let them do that..kung magiging active lng ang lahat ng tao para usigin ang mga taong ito e di magkakaron ng solusyon
ang mga senador at congressman ay representasyon natin...tayo mismo rin ang gumagawa ng paraan kung bakit ganyan ang nangyayari...kung babaguhin natin ang paraan ng pagboto at pananaw...mlamang maging ok nman ang pulitika sa PINAS
i hope maging politician ka nga.. para naman bumuti-buti pananaw ko sa pulitika. ;)
ikinasasama lang talaga ng loob ko yung sandamukal na imbestigasyon na wala namang nakakasuhan..
kaya you can't blame me kung hindi ako pabor sa mga inquries na yan.. grandstanding lang ng mga politicians ang nangyayari.
I am not favor sa trial by publicity kasi ano ba ang job description ng mga senador? diba to create laws... so it is just a waste of time for them. at ang iba ay ginagamit yung para maging mabango ang pangalan nila.
at tama si boss jude. sa dami ng hearing nila, ano ba ang nangyari wala din naman diba.
^ Onga. I'm actually confused. Diba dapat sa judiciary yung mga investigation and trials? Bakit parang ginagawa ng mga senators?
Quote from: carpediem on February 14, 2011, 03:31:27 PM
^ Onga. I'm actually confused. Diba dapat sa judiciary yung mga investigation and trials? Bakit parang ginagawa ng mga senators?
first, para may masabi na may ginagawa sila ;D
second, para malaman ng public (information dissemation using the media ;D)
totoo hanggang investigation lang magagawa nila kasi ang decision niyan dun pa din sa courts. :D kaya hinde nakakasuhan kasi pagdating sa court, wala naman sufficient evidence. So kahit ganun nalaman naman ng taong bayan ang mga salarin, its like paninirang puri at pagkatao ang nagagawa nila. Matinding kahihiyan din iyon. see what happens to Reyes....nangibabaw ang kahihiyan sa conscience
pero wala pa din namang nangyayari. Like Hayden Kho and Katrina Halili. Nasira nga ang name nila pero nakarecover agad sila.
The point is, di ba dapat mas asikasuhin nila dapat ang pagammend ng laws kung wala na silang maipasa na law.
Quote from: maykel on February 15, 2011, 06:26:11 PM
pero wala pa din namang nangyayari. Like Hayden Kho and Katrina Halili. Nasira nga ang name nila pero nakarecover agad sila.
The point is, di ba dapat mas asikasuhin nila dapat ang pagammend ng laws kung wala na silang maipasa na law.
akala mo lang nakarecover sila, pero deep down hinde kasi tagos sa buto at laman iyan......it will be a stain for the rest of their lives.
I don't want to be sound offensive, pero mabibilang mo lang ang mga senators na nagtatrabaho ng maayos without ulterior motives. Karamihan puro may mga sariling interes o hidden agenda kaya nakikisawsaw sa mga issues.
Ang pagigging senador ngayon ay pagpapayaman lang. Kaya nga gusto ko Federalism sa pinas para wala ng senators sa govt. dati naman unicameral lang tayo where congressmen lang ang members of house of representatives.
fed up with so much politicking
Quote from: judE_Law on February 09, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
una sa lahat..nobody can really tell (except for the family maybe) kung ano talaga dahilan at nagawa niya yun.
All i can say is that the death of Reyes should be a lesson for lawmakers not to use investigations in trial by publicity.
Allegations of wrongdoing should be looked into by judicial authorities, stressing that the accused are presumed innocent till proven.
The relentless embarrassment at the hands of his detractors have have pushed reyes to suicide.
maybe reyes thinks that his death will also put a stop to the assaults on his integrity.
Congressional investigations into personal lives should be avoided.
If the evidence is trully strong, then a case should just be filed in court.
I agree with congress/senate probes as long as they are not use for character assassination.
Maybe on a higher level reyes tried to save the institutions that he represented after retiring from the Armed Forces including the Republic of the Philippines.. lets just take it that way.
Dapat talaga magkaroon ng sistema para maiwasa yung pamba-bastos o panghihiya ng mga mambabatas sa mga witness o resource person sa mga imbestigasyon o pagdinig sa senado man o sa kongreso. Isa kasi sa dahilan na nakikita ko kung bakit siya nagpakamatay ay dahil sa kahihiyan na dinanas niya sa hearing..
Tama. bwiset kasi yung "in aid of legislation" na obviously a big BS.
cbcp's sensitivity
and willie revillame
nasasayang ang maraming resources dahil sa kanya
money
energy
neurons
haaays
Carnap, Carjack.... wala ng pinipiling tao... ano na ba ginagawa ng Kapulisan? galaw-galaw!
Quote from: judE_Law on April 16, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
Carnap, Carjack.... wala ng pinipiling tao... ano na ba ginagawa ng Kapulisan? galaw-galaw!
alam mo there is a big difference ng mga pulis sa ibang bansa kesa sa pinas. Like here sa KSA, there's always police visibilty everywhere. Kahit nasa highway ka or nasa disyerto, may mga police na naka-bantay.
^tama Brusk, kailangan talaga ng police vissibility.. pansin ko rin kasi mas marami pang kriminal sa kalsada kesa pulis.. :o
pagtaas at pagbaba ng presyo ng gasolina.
lovelife ni Pnoy
RH bill
maling forecast ng Pagasa.
RH Bill (masyadong kumplikado)
Lovelife ni Pres. Noynoy (crap)
Leviste case sa kulungan (kesyo scoop ni Tonying pinapalaki ng Channel 2, eh uso naman talaga to nuon nuon pa)
para sa akin di naman issue ang lovelife ni PNoy. but it should contain the papers/news anymore.
basura
smoking
traffic violators
RH bill
sisihan pag nay matinding baha
ram revilla killing..kayo kayo nlng umayos ng kaso sa pamilya nyo,wag nyo na i TV..di naman kami nakakarelate,hehehe..
KC at Piolo break up :D
2012
the fact that religions will rather spend on building churches than building houses for the poor
breakups? showbiz pregnancies? hehe
my life
bourne legacy hollabaloo...
corruption?
religion with politics
mga trapo?
politics that use religion?
impeachment ni CJ Corona. At ang pagpaparinig ni PNoy.
usapang botoytoy dito sa forum hahaha
Quote from: otipeps on February 28, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
usapang botoytoy dito sa forum hahaha
hahaha.. oo nga, di mo tuloy malaman kung vain nga lang ba sila or trip lang nila ung mga bototoy...
Quote from: noyskie on March 01, 2012, 04:58:41 PM
Quote from: otipeps on February 28, 2012, 04:04:26 PM
usapang botoytoy dito sa forum hahaha
hahaha.. oo nga, di mo tuloy malaman kung vain nga lang ba sila or trip lang nila ung mga bototoy...
haha.... pagbigyan nyo na... yun lang kasi ang ikaliligaya nila.
stupid prosecution team...
over taxation sa pinas...
^overtaxation monch? its not over taxation.... And for the record, DOUBLE TAXATION is not illegal in the Philippines. Its not stated in our constitution or even the National Internal Revenue Code of the Philippines that the BIR cannot impose tax on the same object for the same purpose or the same taxing authority.
mga balita sa tv kung na puro aksidente, sunog, patayan, bagyo, carnap, holdup, etc
hinde ba pwede ang balita puro magaganda naman? nakakatakot na tuloy manood ng balita, parang horror movie lang tapos uulitin pa the next day, the next day ulit ang mga issues, nakakasawa.
I don't really get the real intention of the news nowadays- To provide what is happening or to scare people? kung ganun at ganun din lang ang ibabalita, maglagay na lang sila sa lower right box sa tv ng mga statistics like for today, ganito ang involve sa car accidents, sunog, patayan at wag ng i-detalye pa at pupuntahan pa sa bahay at interviewhin pa ang mga biktima tsk tsk
hmm... cctv na di nahuhuli ang mga salarin
series of child murder
rh bill..senatorial elections..wars..about kay Pope.. hay
work.
Election Dramas! Ugh. Talk the talk but walk the walk.
mga pa-importanteng ahente.
Mga pinoy na di nagbabasa ng simpleng Sign kahit marunong....
Ex.
Bawal Umihi dito, Let passengers alight first, no entrance, exit only, Bawal tumawid dito and so on....
Sabi sa akin, Sa ilang milyong tao sa pilipinas.... Kung lahat ng ito ay susundin kahit simpleng batas na mga ganito.... malaking bagay na iyon.
Life, I'm fed up with LIFE wanting to get noticed. I'm fed up with LIFE wanting to boss everybody around. I'm fed up with LIFE screwing things up. I'm fed up with LIFE running down in circles. I'm fed up with LIFE being a curse. I'm fed up with LIFE being a blessing.
There is a saying no man is an island.. If you can't handle the truth in life, you can always consult a psychiatrist..
But that's what I'm feeling. Na I'm an island where other people Pass and Go. They Might stay for a while pero aalis at aalis sila.
Quote from: superosmdummi on August 05, 2013, 07:53:59 PM
But that's what I'm feeling. Na I'm an island where other people Pass and Go. They Might stay for a while pero aalis at aalis sila.
well, you have to learn to adapt.. change is the only constant in our lives..
yung mga bagay na hindi ko matapos/magawa! faaark ;D
rh bill lol
pagod na ko sa kanila. ayaw ko na! i want a greener pasture
Si Napoles hindi ba overrated na yung pagkakaroon niya ng death threat at diabetes at kaylangan sa opisina ni mar roxas na may aircon siya ikulong :))))
senatore and conressmen who are saying they have nothing to do with naoles tsk
Ang mga pangako ni Pnoy na napako tulad ng: abolition or curtailment of corruption, pag improve ng education (sapat na school buildings, murang tuition), sense of security (currently, talamak ang krimen), poverty alleviation through job creation and security (dami pa din mahirap), pagsugpo ng smuggling sa BOC at pagkupil ng droga. Sa kabuunan, may nabago pero konti lang at definitely hindi nya na meet yung mga pangako nya. Lumalabas na puro lang sya salita, walang gawa. Puro sisi, turo sa iba. Parang ang gusto nyang palabasin, siya or sila lang lagi ang magaling at tama. Pag kaaway ka or sa kabilang kapartido, mali ka na. Puro din propaganda si Pnoy. Ika nga, pabango lang, papogi. Ka kabuunan, kulang sa aksyon, walang leadership. Mahina. Sayang.
1. Pera.
2. Juvenile issues.
Anything that revolves around that RANDOM ACTOR being beaten up and ABS-CBN sensationalizing it.
when there are dozens of MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES:
1. Killings in Mindanao
2. Peace process
3. Privatization of Fabella
4. Stealing in the government and some ACTOR SENATOR wasting public money to cry in front of the television
5. Some stupid senator declaring "There is no such thing as medical marijuana"
6. FOI bill
7. RH Law, the Inability of the Church to prevent premarital sex, out of control population
8. Traffic, lack of mass transit, and more roads being built despite the increase in population
9. Buses and how they kill people
corruption ...kapagod na...also tax surveiance ni kim henarres....nagbabantay ang naman sa media... pati yung mga nanalong pinoy sa ibang bansa hinahabol...dapat gumawa sya sariling investigating body....
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plus also the nonsensical dramas of that damn senators in the senate.
Vhong Navarro. Why does the news circulate around him? ugh.
i think thats what the media wants to feed to the "masa" and good to hear about ruby tuason, at least the pork scam it not yet covered by those unimportant news.
Quote from: superosmdummi on February 09, 2014, 03:22:31 PM
Vhong Navarro. Why does the news circulate around him? ugh.
talk about sensational journ.
Porkbarrel nadinatutuldkukan. At Napoles na di nakukulong gaya ng mga ordinaryong preso.
c napoles ndi naikukulong ng tama, pero c deniece?
ang gulo, masyadong bigdeal ang isyu na un
Makes me think that PDAF scam is a cover up while everyone is already tapping from the Yolanda donations as a retirement money.... Also, kaya lagi si vhong is because ayon ang trabaho ng media... "To serve the interest of the people." However we do not share the same interest all the time....